Listen: Paul Manafort, CNN And Michael Cohen discussed on All Of It
"Oh well. To answer that question in the affirmative. I think would be flatter myself. So. So. Interesting lessons observations from someone who's been in the trenches. I think in some way, the because a lot of things I think it's not meant for lawyers, not meant for criminal lawyers. It's meant for everybody. But on one level. Yeah. It does talk a lot about this office that is much in the news because it doesn't just have your garden variety. Impressive interesting and groundbreaking cases. But also the oversee the Michael Cohen case. So there's a lot of public interest in curiosity about that place where they can be interesting for a lot of people to understand the character of the philosophy of it. How people go about making their decisions kind of people are there. But you know, there's not a lot written about this other district. There's not a lot in even in movies and cinema. When you hear about prosecutors offices and their the movies books at cetera. It's usually about the district attorney's office and the office a little bit different. And I think it would have been. Yeah. As younger person to get you know, some flavor for some of the things that went on there, and why they happen and the names of some of the characters. Yeah. Sure. It would have been interesting. I'm interested in what the impact of the sort of never ending habit. Trail new cycle was on you as you were writing the book. Did you have to shift your focus his asked me that question? The only question other than now. Millions of people who are listening is my editor. And I would take. It's been a tough couple years. And I would try to shut myself in for periods of times that has a podcast I teach and I'm doing a lot of other things as well. And I would sort of set up these days where I would only right. I wasn't the kind of writer who decided no seven ten am every morning five days a week in. And that was it. I would have been periods of writing and days as the Thursday morning. I remember, and I planned not to have any meetings. No phone calls. No TV on. And I don't even remember what event happened, but some big event happened and the phone starts ringing and people want to hear what I have to say. And I have this this opportunity on CNN where I'm a senior legal analyst as well. And also, I'm curious to citizen. I wanted to Toews happening. I want to understand the indictment or the guilty plea or the charge or whatever the story was that. And it happened a lot of times. So I it's a miracle that I finished the book given how many days were taken up by the new cycle. Did you? We able to stay focused on the subject matter. Sometimes it was hard and the subject of the book, you know, I don't I don't go into a lot of current events. There is small section of the book, the people may find interesting about the Paul Manafort trial, and how the judge Ellis conduct themselves in that trial, and a mildly critical of how the prosecutors in that case, but other than that, you know, a lot of things were happening when it was the firing of Jim Komi or Paul Manafort trying to cooperate in Philly and cooperating or Donald Trump pardoning various people in exercising authority in particular ways, or you know, calling me until community not reliable and relying instead on Latimer Putin's view views about what was going on in the world. They all actually go to what I'm talking about in the book. So they're not irrelevant to the book. And that is how we think about truth how we think about evidence how we make decisions how he reason and decide not just for prosecutors and law enforcement agents, but also for journalists also for people who are business minded for. The people who run institutions or work in universities or just trying to manage their own families. We're all making judgments all the time trying to figure out what's correct? And what's not correct. And we're also all in some way, either being judged or you know, making disciplinary decisions about others. Whether it's our kids or a student in your class or something else. So I think the lessons are are universal and a lot of what was going on, you know, egg neon to make sure that I was sort of laying out some first principles about how fairness injustice done, my guess is pre Berrara than it was book is doing just as a prosecutor thoughts on crime punishment and rule of law. You make a really great case for asking dumb questions. You've as nuncio yours have been very smart, very ex- preaching. Oh, they're coming. So in terms of dumb questions in your point is that we shouldn't be afraid to ask questions at the base of it. Why are people frightened ask questions? Just ego. Is it a fraud? Stupid. I think it's the second thing and the better phraseology is basic questions, but questions gets people's attention more quickly. I had the pleasure of overseeing an incredibly smart people top of their class, lawyers when they first come into the US office. And so I didn't worry about, you know, their intelligence in their work ethic. I didn't worry about their integrity mail those. They had great supply when I did worry about was whether or not they were going to ask questions because people who are very smart and had been used to in their life getting the answer to their questions in a book and have done. So well at that, they've graduated top of their class college law school precipitous clerkship. Everything else now all of a sudden, a new environment, and they didn't learn in law school had a talk to a mobster. Didn't learn how to convince someone testify if they're afraid they didn't learn the best way to maybe tell a story and not just read a statute to a jury in all sorts of things are new to them and not used to not knowing the answer to things and the steep learning curve can be quite steep. And I worried in those circumstances that they would be afraid to ask questions because often in environments like. You don't ask your question in a vacuum? Your peers are around you. And you ask a dumb question like, how do you fingerprint a gun, or you know, when the cooperating witness testified these things that again, you don't necessarily learn except by doing you worry about I used to tell junior prosecutors in the office when I spoke to them, you know, people think that case can be hurt by suppressed evidence case can be more hurt by suppressed questions. So you always want to make sure the people are are confident enough to ask their questions that are born out of lack of confidence because otherwise you don't you don't know the material well enough, you don't get a fuller understanding of it. And also, you know, a lot of people just pretend you interview people like this all the time."