Georgia, Senator, Senator Jordan discussed on Morning Edition
Edition from NPR news. I'm Rachel Martin. And I'm Steve Inskeep. Georgia lawmakers narrowly passed a Bill that would make abortion illegal as soon as a heartbeat is detected governor Brian Kemp is expected to sign it. The opponents include democratic state Senator, Jennifer, Jordan. No matter my faith, my beliefs. My losses. I have never ever stray from the basic principle that each woman each woman must be able to make her decisions in consultation with her body and her family Senator Jordan joins us now on the line. Good morning. Welcome to the program. Good morning. I want to get right to it. By noting the billboards that I have seen that many people have seen all over the country, including I think on Georgia highway billboards that say abortion stops, a beating heart. How do you answer people for whom that is the governing governing idea? You know, it's it's difficult. And it was one of the reasons why this debate is so difficult because if you have people who don't believe kind of in the same set of facts. It's really hard to debate it, and that's why it was kind of important with respect to my own experience to try to say, it's not true. You say your own experience. What was your experience? Senator. Well, I've had multiple miscarriages after having sane fetal cardiac activity on ultrasound. And so, and that's basically what the Bill does here is that when a woman or when a fetus, it's capable of fatal cardiac activity being detected, which is about five point five to six weeks pregnant that at that point in time that fetus is considered for all for all purposes under Georgia law a full citizen of the state of Georgia. And does that mean that as you understand it, there could be criminal consequences of some kind? Should there be not a United an abortion? But a miscarriage of the kind that you experienced. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean it, and there is some case law in the state that has talked about the criminalization of abortion. With respect to women and how every miscarriage could be investigated. I mean, it could be just you. You're not taking care of yourself properly. So somehow, you're criminally negligent, maybe you are drinking, maybe you're smoking. And then you have a miscarriage, and then you're subject to prosecution in the state did Republicans respond to that argument at all. Did they agree? Yeah. That's we want to do with this Bill. You know, it's one of those things when nobody ever responded to that. I did a pretty significant analysis going back in terms of the law in the statutory language. And it's clear that the intent of this wall is to criminalize women which goes much further than any law in the country. I mean, the whole idea that as soon as the woman is able to detect that she's pregnant which is at about five point five weeks in terms of a pregnancy test that at that point in time her body doesn't belong to her anymore and and belongs to the state of Georgia. I mean that is clearly exactly what they intended here. I mean, they even put an affirmative defense for prosecution in for women when you see that. There can be no doubt that this was directed toward, you know, you know, subjecting women to prosecution if and when they did anything that may result in a loss. President Senator do you view this as a direct challenge to Rovers? Versus Wade, of course, which protects generally abortions in the first two trimesters. Yeah. I mean, the authors the sponsor even the governor has indicated that this is exactly what it is. I mean, it is intended to be outrageous. It's intended to be stopped in the courts, and then to go up to the supreme court because that's exactly what they wanna do. They want to overturn Roe. But the problem is is that the implications. Go far beyond abortion, this affects every decision that women making their lives and basically relegates us in Georgia. At least the women to second basically, kind of not fully adult humans responsible for our own. Choices citizens Senator thank you so much. Thank you. That state. Senator Jennifer, Jordan and Georgia. Nearly five years ago. A white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri shot and killed the black eighteen year old named Michael Brown Brown's mother Lesley McFadden is now running for a seat on the Ferguson city council in an election tomorrow. Here's Rachel Lipman from Saint Louis public radio the council looks much different than it did in August two thousand fourteen back then there was just one black councilman in this city that is majority black. The mayor was also white jeans Knowles is still in office. But the six person council now has three black and white members. It's a huge shift. And if mixed baton wins, the board would have a black majority for the first time on the day. She announced last August supporters called the decision historic. She outlined three priorities. She wanted to focus on its community policy. Yes. Economic equality. Yeah. And access to healthcare for all of Ferguson's young children. Everyday people the council plays a critical role in monitoring how well the city is doing at making those mandated reforms it's a task mixed bad says she's more than up to and I've been kind of watching them with like an eagles is to make sure that they comply with the consent decree that was put in place, and that we never have a repeat of August ninth likely has the best name recognition of the three candidates running in the third ward. But for some residents like LaTasha Brown that's not enough. The mouse kind of thing did I heard were issue realm is not related to Michael Brown. She lives in the apartment complex where he was shot and killed and walks past his memorial every day. She is also an advocate for the residents of Ferguson's five large apartment complexes. She's not involved. She's nine engage with the community. Police community's problem is we weren't engaged with with CD politics. We didn't know well this one or how decisions were made. I ran Griffin one of mixed fans. Opponents also argues that the third ward needs a stronger advocate. It's the city's poorest, and though it's overwhelmingly black. It did not elect a black council member until two thousand fifteen. There are a lot of plans that are coming down the pipeline at this point. And my concern is that the people in the communities voices will be heard if we don't have proper representation on that board Griffin and McFadden are challenging the incumbent Keith Kallstrom Kallstrom who was white has been on the council for sixteen of the last twenty-five years. He defends his record of representing the community. I want to get it. Right. I want to be fair for everybody. Not just one race or another race Griffin. And Kallstrom say they're campaigning for the seat not running against McFadden, although both openly question if she's qualified mixed Madden has a very simple response. If a mother had to watch her son Atlanta street for four and a half hours and watch a community be completely disrespected by elected officials that we elected. Well, would you stand up and you were fighting when I'm elected she.