Jordan Peele, Adelaide, America discussed on The Big Picture

The Big Picture


Guys. Welcome to the ring your podcast network March. This is here and to help you with your bracket. Make sure you listen to one shiny podcast with Marc Titus and Tate. Frazier. Also, be sure to check out the ringers YouTube channel to watch tape and Titus build their bracket and break down every matchup on their selection show as well as Roger Sherman who offers his three Cinderella pigs for the NCAA tournament you can find those at YouTube dot com slash the ringer. I'm Shawn fantasy. And I'm Amanda Daba. And this is the big picture a conversation show about the movie us, the new film. The second film from writer director, Jordan Peele. I'm going to say right up front. We are going to spoil the hell out of this movie. So if you have not seen us, please walk away very quickly from this podcast. Can we just reiterate we are spoiling us turn it off? If you don't wanna hear spoilers amend, and I right before we begin recording this podcast had a philosophical debate about the essence of spoiling. It is we're in complex times because a movie like us is essentially bound by spoilers. The whole story is it's impossible to talk about without it. I wrote a whole column on the ringer dot com. You can read that in which I danced around the idea of the ending of the movie, but really was much more about the kind of movie that Jordan Peele makes this is only really his second movie has I being of course, get out which was nominated for best picture was an international phenomenon. I think kind of redefined what a horror movie could be in a lotta ways us is different. I would. Say Amanda, you know, I'm going to throw some questions that you were going to talk casually. But excitedly interestingly about this movie, I'm going to just start with you as a non horror fan, you bravely. Yeah. When and saw this film. This is what everyone who's really excited about us wants to hear is someone who was like too much of a wimp to see horror movies her opinion. But I'm engaging. I'm gonna try folks you're going to try. I mean, it's okay to be a whore expert to enjoy us. And I think that's actually part of the fun talking about the movie, but just as an experience, what did you feel walking out of the movie, I had a lot of questions, which I think was the point. So in that sense, it was successful. And I think that is also a bit about the structure of the movie, which we'll talk more about the second half is really loaded with a lot of ideas that are they come together very quickly, and and then the movie ends, and so you wanna talk with someone about it. But I found that interesting, and I have found myself trying to puzzle through the ending and the questions, and I have found that that is what really stays with me. Me and also the various images there are some really really amazing and creepy images in this movie that have stayed with me, but funnily enough I do think the ending stayed with me more or the the questions than perhaps the premise or the scares of the movie. Yeah, I think there's something very savvy about the design of the movie, which is as soon as it's over you sort of want to rewatch it and see it again, and in order to make a movie and movement, you need to see multiple times, the most successful movies, the avengers Infinity wars of the world, the reason those movies make a billion dollars is because people go four or five times, and they go, and they cry and they have emotional experiences with it. And I think Jordan Peele is a very emotionally bound filmmaker. And he's creating relationships with characters that stick to you. You know, the relationship that we had with Chris and get out was was real. You know, we we had a lot of empathy for him. Even if that's a movie that ultimately is a sailing white liberal guilt, which is something that I think you, and I have been we've victimized in that way. This movie, though is different because it's about it is about sort of everybody. It's a movie that is meant to be. About america. Let's just talk a little bit about what this movie is will sort of try to summarize it it opens with a very specific declaration about the tunnels in America. And how many of them are abandoned and unused. And what is really happening inside of them. It very quickly shifts to a story set in the nineteen eighties featuring a young girl named Adelaide will Wilson who is at a carnival. I guess with her parents and her parents are not maybe paying as much attention as they should and Adelaide goes to what amounts to a sort of a hall of mirrors, a funhouse room that has largely abandoned and in that funhouse room, she encounters a double of herself yet someone who looks exactly like her and it's not a reflection. It is another began. It is truly her. Now, this is in this sequence. There is some of some really awesome filmmaking. That's this is where I was like, oh, cool like Jordan pills going to the next level. It's just very haunting. It's very beautifully shot the way that it's led is incredible. Michael Lebel scores. Amazing. And then we sort of flash forward from that moment. That's like. A shattering originating feeling for Adelaide. And then we meet the Wilson family in the present day and they're on their way to a road trip. Excuse me. They're on their way to a beach house vacation it Santa Cruz. Yeah. Summer vacation. And we need the whole Wilson gang. And they seem like just a regular old American family right there in African American family, but that's sort of incidental in the telling of this story. Exactly. Yeah. They're in the car and they arrive and the kids are asleep in the back seat. And the dad is making fun of everyone for falling asleep and not participating in the car journey, and they are talking about the song on the radio. It is kinda your typical family vacation fair. Yeah. And I think it's an interesting way to just make everybody relate to everybody right away. There's something like very Americana about that experience of being stuck in the backseat and having to listen to your dad lecture. You about how powerful the song. Yeah. I got five on it is by loonies grates on by the way, the car. I believe is a station wagons your motto. But of course, it's. Classic. Yeah. It's kind of Jordan peels Rockefeller Norman Rockefeller things. And it's charming, but it doesn't necessarily seem like a scary movie for a while. And then the movie takes like a good. I don't know thirty minutes or so to kind of kick back into that hormone structure that we had right at the beginning with that very upsetting scene in that hall of mirrors. Yes, there's a whole bit. With Winston Duke who plays the father and a boat, which is very funny. It is genuinely he is the comedic relief in the film for sure, but they are establishing the family dynamics, which I think is important because you are a bit invested in this family when things go south, but it is just funny and enjoyable there's something that you learn right away. Which is that something is wrong with Adelaide you can tell immediately from an lupita and young plays the grownup Adelaide really cut him an amazing performance. I think we'll talk about her a lot. I think she's maybe the single biggest takeaway aside from what you're did with the second movie in the ending that you pointed out at the top of the show, she's uneasy she doesn't want to go to the beach. The beaches a reminder of this traumatic event. That happened in her life, and there's just something kind of bio chemically off about her. We can't quite figure out what that is. But Winston duke's character just seems like kind of a doofus dad like lovable Fulla dad jokes trying to make the best of his summer vacation. And she's just on edge for some reason when you were watching the movie, what did you think was going on with harijans like this is just a PTSD situation? Yeah, they do at some point in that thirty minutes flash back to a scene after the fun house where young Adelaide is at child therapy. And she's kind of outside the room while the parents are talking to the therapist, and they're talking about everything that has happened to her since then she won't talk something's wrong. And you watch Adelaide hearing that and is sue PTSD is the clear example, we should also say like it's not that she just the beaches a traumatic place for her. It's literally the same beach visiting Santa Cruz. So she doesn't want to go back to a place where something scary happened, which is. Is understandable. And you just kind of sense it. It's a little too close. Yeah. So there's my first question. Yeah. Why are they going back to the same beach where something terrible happened to her? Right. Well, it's a great question. And that was one of the main notes like, maybe maybe you try to prevent maybe you try to head that off if you're Adelaide if you're adult Adelaide, you'd think she would having issued buried what exactly beat which was or where she had been. We'll she's clearly not accessing it or talking about it because she it becomes clear that her husband does not know about the incident, and she's buried at very deep and doesn't want to talk about it. And so later that night while he's trying to seduce her which was a very funny moment, then she and she's just like one hundred percent not receptive to it. And then explains why and starts trying to explain what happened to her as a child, and he doesn't take it seriously. Because it sounds like she was just a six year old who got scared by something in a mirror. But it's it's clear that she hasn't felt ready to talk about it for whatever reason. Spoiler alert. There's no real spoiled. I mean, we ultimately learn why which is that the Adelaide. We meet is not data lead. We met at the beginning of the film and things are not quite what they seem threw out a lot of this movie before we go any further. I do wanna point out that there are so many little tidbits of self referential -ality and pop cultural fenra sprinkled throughout this movie in that opening sequence on that I mentioned about the tunnels immediately. After that, we get a vision of a commercial on television from the hands across America movement, and is a very slow pan into the commercial hands across America was of course, a sort of charity design in which thousands of people locked hands across or locked arms rather across various states in America to fight homelessness. And you're familiar with hands across America at all. I was a little too young. But they the image, and especially the poster the t shirt that recurs through the film ways Valey buried some art in my subconscious. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting thing. It's it's largely considered a failure. After you know, I it was a noble gesture that is was ultimately sort of illogical. And I thought that that was kind of an interesting yet at work. I'm back that. Yeah. It's inside story. And then on either side of this television that were slowly painting in on we see the shelving units and on the shelving units. You've got a copy of the right stuff on H S, and you've got a copy of the goonies, and you've got a copy of this movie. Should have you seen should I have capital C capital H capital U capital D, it's a horror movie as about I'm not going to get into it. It's probably till into describe. And most crucially Steve Martin comedy the man with two brains is on the show as well. And all of those movies represent something to this movie, and they're all of these little signature flashes throughout the movie that is you know, is Jordan telling us as this guy born in nineteen seventy nine that all the stuff you grew up with is meaningful to the making of his story. The horror has this long tradition of winning in all of this stuff. You don't know as much about those movies. You're not as personally connected to stuff like that. You haven't seen showed that I have not seen chide? So when you see something like that. You're just like this is just set design. This is just a prop. No because you know, the right staff signifies something to me, the V H the concept of VHS the eighties. And I think we've just been so programmed now to you see specific film or movie or music reference that identified by name and a movie, and you know, it's significant somehow talked about this at length with captain marvel a couple. Yeah. I guess I don't know the specific horror references, especially for something. Like, I don't know what that is. But there are certain who are references in this movie that even I recognized because I have seen some horror movies and also they do transcend the movies sometimes like the the twins in the shining, transcend culture, and they're everywhere in this. So you kind of once you see enough of those movies and you see the kid wearing the Josh shirt. And you see another thriller shirt. Like, you know, what's going on? You understand that this is part of a thesis statement, and you can kinda pull together what the thesis statement is it is. Although I think in some cases, the thesis statement is like five thesis statements, and that's a little bit of this problem that I have with the movie, but it's it's something that feels a little bit messy, and we'll get into that as we keep talking about it. But for example, Todd is here's the plot. Description of Chet the puck concerns and New York City police officer and a homeless shelter manager who joined forces to investigate a series of disappearances and discover the missing or. Taken by humanoid monsters that live below the city now, you can see right. So the next into doing all the reference

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