Liam, Thailand, KFI discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
KFI AM six forty. More stimulating talk. And welcome back to coast to coast. We are here with leeann Cochran his book is called miracle in the cave. We're talking about the dramatic rescue of the twelve youngsters from Thailand and the coach that were trapped for about two weeks in a cave in Thailand. So Liam, so they're sending food in there are they pumping air in there to do they need that. Or is the Cape got sufficient amount of ear at that time. Did not know that was one of the things that really spit up and put some level of panic in the rescue efforts was one of the divers board an MA in and that that the that the oxygen in the air was going down, and it was getting towards dangerous levels. If a few more percentage points, the balance between Aaron carbon monoxide would have tipped over and the team and the four tie rescuers who stayed with them for most of the time offer that will found would have slowly going to sleep and died in there. So this this is what really made the clock tick. Even louder. It was that there was the with a full cost because heavy rains had been forecast for about the the tenth of July. So they had a few days to try and plan how to get the team out, but they had a bit of a break in the with it too. They they did catch a bit of luck. But they knew that the heavy monsoon rains with coming again. I think can again, they probably that was it. Yeah. That would have been a lotta we were riveted here in the United States day by day with this incredible story, and you know, people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make it. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in weedy, and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was pitch black obesity inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand, soap, they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be thought up we'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad, they contemplated as you say some sort of inflatable shoop that was one of the Elon Musk suggestions. They did actually trial that in a canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged rocks within the cave. They realized that would never work. They went to the rescue is went to great if to try to drill an access hole using industrial drilling machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when Andrew made it into the Weinstein when the boys were found, and they called it off. That was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it would never going to get the boys out. It was still perhaps it could get some oxygen in water. It could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options the fight much favorable option for much of the rescue period. Was to simply Weiss and just survive in there until the monsoon was over in the cave. They tried to pump out the water right now. Pumping was going on the whole time humping started early and did not stop huge resources were put into that. And that certainly made a difference from the entrance of the cave to what was it became known as as can't three just sort of afford uprating base was set up for the rescuers and the divers the beyond that probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist and experts that actually went in there. But it was it was it was a good effort. It was trying. Absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in. At some point. They got it under control, and it became a matter of would rent a bit. What are we go up an inch? But it would go down pretty soon. That's right. They can control it but without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was going to happen. And the reason for that is it's a long difficult dives your visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you're you know, if you had a few under your belt, so these young boys who could swim a bit, but really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth. You'd have a mosque there is they could stay calm as they were pooled service, and they have never done that before they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I think I would have been I would stay calm. Well being dragged through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you are. You can't see which way is up to come. See anything has visibility. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is I'm a certified scuba diver. If you're in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so. And that factored into some of the planning what they did to get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned with these food by small, and they if it's a typical scuba masks, which are two pieces a mosque and a and a regulator mouthpiece. You have this is a single piece of plastic that goes over your makes us feel around the whole face the full head down the side of the face around the Joe line and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out. It keeps them pressure in the as the OC. He's something from a cylinder. That is considered an easier option for novices. And and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated and terms of what you were saying about not knowing which is up or down the other thing that they did was to put the oxygen. Cylinder the air cylinder. That would be connected to the boy, they put that in front of him strap it to he's not he's back as you might imagine. And and then in addition, they put a lid waste on the front is that and the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver and boy became a separate as Yati was boy would seek down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down really still breathing and remain that weighted down by that tank by that live Weiss until he's rescued. I bet could feel his way around and the doctors and try. The kid would panic by that time the kid would have no idea. Well, now that that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip? I took them walking diving weighting it took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit. By the flow of the water. Are are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours the water? Current was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours took correct to go from point eight OBT to give out of the cave would take five hours. Correct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's beyond what you could do on eight thanks to tanks, even the three tanks. They would taking in each of the divers had three straight three tanks. Struck to them and they positioned spare tanks along the way to replenish supplies. How could they find them? They had systems worked out they had different spots. There have been sort of marked the new way that would be had a system of mocking the tanks different colors, which ones were full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of blowing the dock low sixties snapping they they come to life. They had those types of the tanks would let them up in green or red for for twelve hours the drivers with no which thanks Aaron them, and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours breathed this tank without panicking going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly their rescue dog as well. So a decision was made at the time very secretly for an Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of only two people in the world who has that skill set went in and. With the boys to sleep using a powerful sedative cold Kimmy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process before the name was injected into the boys league he was given a an anti anxiety drug business by the brand name. That would come him down will come down to the water's edge would sit in Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris as lap and stuck the Harry would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque and therefore create another drowning hesitant suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all. But one of the kind of hot still think things I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is going to take about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of all the diving the diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last for about an so each of the boys would have to be revised..