A highlight from #13 CPG Villagers: Using Poker to Fuel Your Competitive Drive


Chris is 38 years old, married with three daughters. He's been playing in competitive atmospheres for most of his life, four years at D three basketball, one year of football, out of Shenandoah, university. Been playing cards for a long time, member of the village for well over a year at this point. I'm not exactly sure the time seems to blend together, especially over this past couple of years. Chris, welcome to the program man. How you doing? Good. Thanks, Brad. Thanks for having me excited to be here. Yeah, excited to have you. And as we normally do on this show, let's start out with your journey. Not just through the world of poker, but journey through life trying to learn the type of human being that you are and what led and then what led you to the world of poker. Yeah, yeah, sure. So I guess, you know, I start just by born and raised from the D.C. area I know the Virginia and you know growing up played sports my entire life. You know, I can remember when I was three years old, playing soccer. So always been heavily involved in a competitive sport. I guess you could say whether it's football, basketball baseball, but part of that competitive likeness definitely turns in over playing cards. You know, so I do remember growing up, playing video games, board games, my grandmother was Jim rohman player. I remember she was playing bridge once a week and reclaimed hearts growing up and always had a fascination and trying to just beat the players by using game theory, you know, whether it was just simple stuff like war or playing hearts and then definitely kind of evolved into playing high school and college sports. So definitely didn't really feel a connection to playing poker until I got to graduate high school. And never really was exposed to the game poker, but that was kind of the first time ever played was after I graduated high school. Yeah, you and I are pretty much the same age. So, you know, when we were in high school, I guess, Booker wasn't the thing that it is today. It was on my radar, but kind of a little lucky it was before the moneymaker boom. We're talking around 2001. As well as 2001. Yeah, 2001. Tell me about that competitive nature and wanting to win at things and then the strategic side. How does that manifest outside of competition? Like, how do you think about sports, hearts, war, rami, these things like when you're not playing the games? Yeah, yeah, so like I guess just instinctually, I just always wanted to win. I wanted to say call myself like an emotional player. I wouldn't bitch a complaint if I didn't win, but it would definitely bother me and I just I was, I guess I got energy with power from competition, you know? So I think naturally was able to simulate and playing sports always kind of picked it up pretty quick. But just the, you know, I guess just the pursuit of winning was always something that I enjoyed. You know, the pursuit of trying to beat somebody who's trying to do the same thing. That just provided a lot of you know, I guess a lot of enthusiasm and just always attracted to games or engagements that where I could just tell myself, I guess you could say and forgot a way that you could get better, whether it was technique, fundamentals, sometimes it was just, you know, the philosophy behind what you're trying to do. Or just something I've always kind of been attracted to. What does it look like when you fall short, right? Like when you lose a competition, the moments after the days after, what are you prioritizing? What are you thinking about? It's funny because I've always found that I don't really lose. I don't take losses very hard. And what I mean by that is I kind of compartmentalize losses and I don't really dwell in too much, which I think is actually helped me in gambling and just playing cards. Like if I lose a big hand, you know, dwell on like most people, but the next day, I kind of forget about it. And I kind of just, I've always gone back to, I guess, the fundamentals. I think this would sports has helped me in terms of overcoming loss. You know, he lose and basketball. All right, so you have a bad game. Back shooting game. You got to go back into the gym and put up 500 jump shots the next day. To work on whatever that imbalance was. So it's kind of like going back to the things that made you successful, whether that's whether that's in cards, sports are really like, but I think that's what I kind of use whenever I face adversity or failure. Yeah, I think that's the greatest bomb going back to the fundamentals. I think that too often we get wrapped up in poker specifically in zones or nodes, areas that are more rare. We spend a lot of cognitive energy in on spots that will likely just never happen again in the rest of your entire life where there's not a ton to learn. But the reality is that if you look at pretty much any competitive game, there are fundamental aspects that you need to be good at. That will deliver long-term success. Like you said, basketball, just shooting, passing, dribbling, like a lot of shooting, a lot of shooting. And in poker, it's a lot of pre flop stuff. It's a lot of sea betting. It's a lot of just early decision tree things that happen very, very, very often that you need to stay sharp. And you have to understand that that's where a lot of your edge is coming from. Yeah. Competition, right? I mean, to be to repeat something over and over is not easy. And I think that's something that's always kind of overshadowed. You know, how simple a task is, but how hard it is to do that test. Consistently and with discipline. I mean, I think that's, you know, that's something I try to do whenever I'm in a rut or like you said, when I do to overcome failures. And you know, what makes poker so interesting? You know, this is like one of the values of the wolf program that I have going right now is discipline. And poker, you know, in basketball, the feedback mechanism is pretty pure, right? You know whether or not your jumper went in. It's pretty clear that your jumper either goes in or doesn't go in. In poker, you can take a perfect shot and it just, you just air ball it, right? And you don't have to change anything. Everything that you did was absolutely correct and you should continue doing it moving forward. It's just the feedback mechanisms distorted. And that's just the thing that I'm trying to beat into my wolves brains is like just keep doing the things that make money. And put the rest out of your head because in poker, you don't always get immediate feedback that what you did was either good or bad or whatever. Just keep taking good shots over and over and over again, eventually it works out. But anyway, that's just yeah, poker is just weird in that sense that you

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