United States discussed on Ben Shapiro


Of over a hundred fifty scholarly articles and ten books professionally thanks much for joining show really appreciate it thank you for inviting me so when we begin with the broad narrative that's being drawn at the United States right now it's the United States is systemically racist it's always seemed to me that this is very vaguely defined if if by systemically racist people mean that history has consequences that redlining in nineteen sixties makes a difference in terms of wealth gap today that's obviously true but if the idea is that America's systems today are racist and its institutions today are races for the most Americans they're racist I think that's false what do you make of the claim that America is systemically racist and wildly between racial groups is presumably did inequity well I I don't think you can get very far you can offer a lot of evidence that that we're systemically races or there is institutional racism in our country and the I think one of the things that people need to know is that at least for black Americans whistle right struggle is over and is one that is at one time black Americans did not have the same constitutional guarantees as everybody else but now we do know that the fact that the separate struggles and is over and one does not mean that they're not major problems but they're not so rates problems they don't have anything to do with racial discrimination which is not to deny the existence of a residual racial discrimination so professor Williams is now a lot of talk about police racism or systemic brutality inside police department seems to me there's an argument to be made about mentality inside police departments in training perhaps a bad cop being protected by police unions but the notion that the police are systemically racist are targeting black men specifically what do you make of that argument well known of course as you said you said that they're they're policemen who do not do their job do not take their oath of of office seriously enough but the the the the problems that the that policemen have a particularly with black people is just the the the big the crime rate the you know we're open slightly over fifty percent of the homicide victims in the United States are black and and and it turns out that the the perpetrator is ninety some percent or or black so the the the the problem with the problems with the police pale small in comparison you know we it just says take the case of Chicago Chicago there's a person shot every three hours in a person killed every fourteen hours and and so far this year they've been about two hundred eighty of people shot and killed and and most of my blackened by blacks in Chicago the police but killed the three people so if you're concerned about black lives well who should you spoke to pay most attention to is it seems to be not what the police are doing in Chicago but what what other black people are doing in Chicago so professor Williams one of the things that seems to be going on in a lot of these discussions whatever you talk about inequality in terms any statistics between black and white it's immediately trucked up to racism if you cite the fact that for example there's more violent crime in the black community than there is in the white community information like an interracial intra racially then this is somehow chalked up to the results of racism so there's always service receding one of argumentation where if you point out that people today are acting violently well that's the result of historic injustice and racism in the past which again is is sort of a vague argument because it seems to me weird to suggest that a black person telling a black person in today's inner city is the result of Jim crow and racism as opposed to the decision by a black person to kill black person in the inner city but what what what do you make of the argument of racism that route can be can be sort of blamed as the as the cause of today's inequalities well I think that the for a lot of young people they just don't have the historical background but I'm I'm in my eighty four eighty fifth year of life and I grew up in the slums of north Philadelphia we did not go to at that time we did not go to bed with the sounds of gunshots the people most people left their doors open and until the last person was in I had I did not a number of friends I just knock on the door in the summer how we come in and there are no bars of the window there and the and and the other attributes about the black community is that the my sis my smile you're probably deserved it my mother and sister and I went I was three and she was to but and and so we we live in Richard Richard Allen housing project in north Philadelphia and we were the only kids in the neighborhood that did not have a mother and father in the house two days it would be exactly the opposite so we didn't even look at the the black family structure in the in eighteen eighty and it's in what are you I give the statistics and one of my books in eighteen eighty the eighty five to eighty five to ninety five percent of black kids live in two parent families today we're we're much further away from slavery and less than a third live in two parent families the if you look at the illegitimacy rates today illegitimacy rates among black shoes seventy five percent than among whites is slightly over thirty percent but if you go back to nineteen forty the illegitimacy rate among blacks was eleven percent and then among whites is three percent and so it turns out better on on the a lot of measures of I don't know socioeconomic characteristics blacks were were were better off in terms of a family structure and and and and violence it in earlier times which is not to say what I want to go back to the old days where there's there was gross racial discrimination the country but I think that a lot of things that people are blaming on slavery and discrimination we just can't it just doesn't cut the mustard unless you say that the the stuff the skips a generation or two so but professor Williams when it comes to solving disparities it seems like what what you're suggesting is that the best way to solve a lot of these disparities is for individuals to make concessions in other words merry you're married the mother of your child graduate high school get a job and that's fairly unpopular message these days even though it's pretty obvious that a lot of these disparities are indeed responsible for the the final income or wealth disparities that are they're continuing I mean they're they're fairly good studies that we've done that suggest for example that if you are a black woman who's growing up in the in the higher economic and socio economic group high income groups and then then your earning the same as a white woman in a white man and a white and a black man growing up in that same group have wildly different outcomes which suggests that racism isn't the problem it's actually personal activity particularly among young black men that that that's that that message has been treated as a racist message rather than what is which is my opinion a message of hope which is if you make good decisions in a fair public you're going to do well in a fair public it seems like a popular message these days is is the Michelle Obama message that you just gave me a bunch of people basically saying the matter how hard you work you never gonna get ahead because they're too many people you can keep it down nearly at the end that's an important thing to tell what people I know when when I was a teenager my mother used to tell me and my family say look at it there's racial discrimination and if you're black you have to try harder you have to you have to work harder and and that was the message and and there's also always a message of hope but.

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