Slovakia, Dr Daniel Havlicek, United States discussed on Mitch Albom

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You know you spend a lot of time trying to figure it out? That's better. You're Veronica. Veronica. Okay, Thank you. All right on a more serious note. While the election has certainly dominated everybody's focus and concentration, Colbert 19 continues to surge in ways unseen. Here to 400,000 cases in a day. Nationally Now Michigan Seeing some ridiculously high numbers, we go to Dr Daniel Havlicek, Michigan State University Department Medicine Division of Infectious diseases. He's been great with us in previous shows answering some questions, Dr Havlicek great to have you back. Thank you. Thank you. I promise. I won't ask any election questions, No bad song. Prison questions. No bad some prison questions, either. Although thank you for remembering and referencing Friday, there's a door. Sorry. So here's my question. We are now I looked at the rates in March. When things were rampant, and we were not wearing masks and now We look at November. Things are rampant again, and despite the fact that there's still plenty of people who don't like to wear a mask, by and large, we are wearing masks everywhere. We were not wearing masks before. So how is it that with all these masks on Our numbers were like doubling now. When it was bad back in the spring. Can you explain that? You know, I wish I could, and I'm sure the state And national health departments. Where stake it to, um There is more testing number one, You know, then that's going to find more positives, of course. I do think, um, distancing, you know, still needs to be on the issue, and I think that the issue of school's going back and some people being Kind of sick but yet not really feeling sick and then spreading Cove. It has been an issue to college campuses of as you know is, you know they've been problems and and we've got to get out of that mindset. It's okay to be a little sick because it's just not. You know, people that are a little sick with this until somebody else and that's You know, that's just what we have to go with our mindset, I think right, But how do we know the difference that we're in November when sniffles or common and nobody wants to panic over everything? How do we know the difference when we're a little sick with Cove in or just when we're a little sick, which didn't go away? It's not like every form of sickness now is covert. So where's the line between those two? Yeah, That's a great question, I think depends a little bit on what our ultimate goal is. If our ultimate goal is to try to get rid of Cove it we would have to assume everybody who has a little sick is covert until proven otherwise. And that would be the only waited to really do it. In answer to the other question that one of things that I was thinking you were going to bring up and then you did. Um, I'm not sure that we are fully in control of asymptomatic carriers who spread the disease. And you know, that's something that is still going around with. Ah, positions and epidemiologists. You know how common is the person who is carrying the virus doesn't know they have it. And then they're spreading disease, either family members or, you know people in restaurants her whatever so that, But that theory Wipes out even your suggestion about being overly cautious when a little sick must we have to assume that when you can't even tell that anybody is sick, what are they supposed to go on? If they're if they are, you know if you're in your own home and you you're seemingly healthy and you feel fine and you have no symptoms. What are you supposed to do? Socially distant from your wife's social distance from your kids? Because there's still a possibility that you might have it. Even if you if you have no symptoms. How are people supposed to even get through regular life orbit? Forget about opening and closing the economy Just just using the bathroom? You know anything like that. We can't all live Permanently. 10 FT. Apart from one another Yeah, and I I don't know. I Read that Slovakia is actually implemented a program where they're going to test everybody in the country now, and I saw it every day. Period. They Yeah, they came back. Forget what it was. It was about. Was about. Ah, I want to say a 4% contagion rate or something like that. But, yeah, they tested 2 2.5 million people on one day and and some more on another day. But what does that prove? That just gives you a snapshot of that day, right? It changed that three days later, right? Well, it may or may not. I mean, if you have isolated if you've identified everybody that's carrying the virus. On that day, and those people have to quarantine for X number of days. And then maybe that number is 21 or 28, not 14. But if you do that Perhaps. The virus will burn out in that population. It will continue to transmit. It has to continue to transmit, of course to obviously continue. Um so You know, that is one approach and I think in the next month or so That, um, outcome is going to be known and will have Teo say, Well, gosh, maybe we should do that in the United States. Well, it's a lot easier to do. I've got the story in front of me. A lot of you should do in Slovakia, where they have 5.4 million total people. Then in the United States, we have 330 plus million people. They gave tests Auntie gin tests to 3.6.

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