Listen: President Trump, Senator, Senate discussed on Radio Atlantic
"This is Radio Atlantic. I'm Isaac Dove Air so there's been some news this week and while the situation in Washington is blowing up we at the Atlantic were having our big annual event here which we call the Atlantic Festival staff writers and editors chat onstage with big names names and business and politics and this week show is a actually a live taping Radio Atlantic from the festival with one of those big names Minnesota senator and presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar it was recorded on Wednesday evening with the senator fresh off a vote in the Senate. We talked about impeachment of course but also about the metoo movement the strange experience running president her distinctly Minnesota backstory and a James Madison quote. She's been thinking about a lot these days. Take a listen it really happy to have Senator Klobuchar here a lot of the these that I've been doing. I've been out on the road with candidates and this one we were thinking it'd be great to have in Washington to do this and let me start with this senator. You just came from a full day in the Senate just basically fresh off a floor. A number of your colleagues who are running for president didn't even show up in Washington this week. I have talked to other the people in the Senate. Even those who are not running for president who say there is nothing that is going to get done. The President says now that the Democrats have started down the road of impeachment. That's it there's no agenda. Why are you still showing up at the okay question by the way there were a number of us that we're here off and on. It's all Elizabeth yesterday and I saw Michael Bennett was there today. I am a little different position. I'm actually in leadership and I had shared the steering committee of the Senate and believe it or not I had an event today for the senators we had about twenty of them there that featured Don Rally and legal experts which had been planned because the supreme court upcoming term but of course we had other discussions as well and then I also think this week. I'm actually very glad I'm here. There's been other weeks. I've missed a few days. I given what's happened. The importance of this and I was able to talk to my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee Committee meet extensively with Senator Schumer and Durban about this so I think it's important to be here but there are people that are here some days on on the next you just have to keep trying to balance it and the last thing I'm sure you've heard about our exciting antitrust hearing but that is actually a really important topic for our country entry and it's been neglected. It's part of the reasons we're seeing less startups and I had that yesterday that I chaired Senator Lee and then Senator Tim Scott and I I started a entrepreneur an entrepreneur caucus which is focused on this startup slump and we had thirty women entrepreneurs from all over the country talking about this topic so I just there are things outside of votes that you can do when you're a US senator and hearing from colleagues and talking to them. I'm like Tim Kaine. We had an Iran briefing today that I was at so there is a lot of things that go on outside of the fact that we are not having votes votes on important things like the guns bills are just sitting there which is just to me unexplainable when you have the majority of trump voters want to see background round checks the majority of Hunters WanNa see background checks but this president could literally tell Mitch McConnell bring these things up for a vote and he would and he hasn't so so those are reasons to be there but just remember. There's lack going on and that's why I was there. Who are there that is a lot but of course let's talk about the thing that we're of course going to talk about. Which is impeachment This is something that you were out in favor of June. It took until will yesterday for the speaker to say that she was supportive of the process. Do you think that that's time that was misspent. Should there have been should've said move more quickly. They were doing investigations as you know. They've had a few hearings with witnesses and things like that. I think the main point here is what this was about and that is this pattern that we're seeing that really came to light with. Presumably this whistle blower complaint that I haven't seen but the summary I don't call it a transcript because there are a lot of dot dot. Dot's it was a written summary of the of the telephone conversation that this president had with the president of Ukraine and I think all of that drove this decision having talked extensively to Senator Schumer and others who who spend a lot of time over the weekend talking to Speaker Pelosi. I think that this was about that and the fact that you had these a number of Democrats kratz that incredible group that wrote the piece in the Washington Post with their military intelligence experience Democrats elected who had served brand new Congress Congress people many of them women who wrote this moving piece about why they were there and why they believe that this was such a national security risk. I think all of that in a good way drove the speaker and the the what we have in front of us right now is not something that happened in the past not that that's the reason the defining line for impeachment it is more that it's something that's ongoing and that's actually when I came out for impeachment that was when he welcomed intelligence from other countries to us as dirt it was actually the same kind of thing that he he was interested in this and then exactly and this is just part of that pattern that you saw start when he stood in front of that wall of those agents who made the ultimate sacrifice lost their lives anonymous honest stars and he had the Gall Stan before that wall and talk about crowd size and make a partisan speech or when he believed the Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence director or when. He said he loved Kim Jong Own I'm or when at the g twenty when someone asked about invading our elections he turns to to Putin and makes a joke and I remember thinking at that moment hundreds of thousands of soldiers have lost their lives on the battlefields protecting our democracy or democracies around on the world for little girls in this was just commemorated and the fifty six anniversary of the bombing of the church in Birmingham for little girls innocence lost their lives in that church in that quest for civil rights and in people that are willing to stand up and ego people that were trying to stamp out there right right to be part of that democracy so this is something fundamental to our country that crosses party lines and that's why I think that this idea that he on a phone call is basically Lee saying hey you know Joe Biden and his son or out there in that has to be looked into and some of the things he said when you read that summary very very disturbing the simple notion that you shouldn't put your own personal interest in your partisanship in front of our country when you're president of the United States dealing with a foreign leader and I was he was Isaac was teasing me. I found a quote from James Madison that it would make every happening podcast heading cutting edge but it was about way back when our founding fathers decided that they would put those articles of impeachment that they would have that in the Constitution Madison back then said this why would why would you need this with the president he uses word he I would of course say a he or she he might pervert his administration into a scheme of Pecu- Latian like embezzlement or oppression he might betray his trust to foreign powers and when you think about the founding of our country that was all about independence and breaking away from a foreign foreign power and so it makes sense to that they were worried that one branch of government as in one president would somehow sell out to a foreign power so you think about that and he was talking about that in terms of why we had the ability to impeach and I think it just goes back to the founding of of our democracy and we've gotta remember that and that's what this investigation is about and I think that's what created this situation where Speaker Speaker Pelosi. It tipped it for her because it's ongoing you were a prosecutor for years. Do you think that the Democrats have done a good enough job making making this case so far to the American public so that people understand what's going on and why to you it is such a problem well the I think we all know no the Muller report was that was hard because the he would only talk about what was in the report basically I think when you read that report carefully you see this pattern of conduct where he was basically the president was ready to flaunt the law and did flaunt the law but that that aside this case. We've only had a day to make this case We just got this summary and so. I don't think it's fair to evaluate this yet and this is a whole different realm that we're in the other thing that's going on is the intelligence."