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"Dot com slash twit. It's time for tweet this week in Google Jason How filling in for Leo LaPorte who I believe is the last pass no he's at the pod front todd fronts my my apologies. His pod fronts talking podcast. He's talking on this this thing that we do here. It's called podcast. Another week will be doing the last past thing joining me as always or almost always Jeff Jarvis buzzmachine dot COM I'm pretty much always try best. I get here every time I can. I torture you motel rooms a bad Wi fi to stay up to be here. I'm pretty much always he's here whether you like it or not. You're like ninety nine point nine nine percent reliable point one percent jeff that point. Oh one percent it. It hurts my annual review. Davos is not a more man. I'm not invited anymore. Oh well congratulations. Go list welcome back to the HOI. That's right good to see you jeff also joining me here on the set and asteroid Solo twit. Yes fellow twit yeah. How does that happen? I you know it's just one day you wake up and you realize you just flew. You drove your family across the country house and nine hundred miles. That's that's amazing. It's nine hundred seventeen miles and that took a a spectacular tourists tacky tourist things the way none nine. Don't you think I really did was the Grand Canyon. That was the only thing that's a big one but the other thing you mentioned in my palm sweats fear that you're looking at over the edge it was great. It was just beautiful and when you were at the Grand Canyon did you do they have rules against drones sending drones out and getting footage allegedly to have rules okay no but no you didn't okay I did take the dogs and let the dogs run around and they enjoyed the dog gets out I did I've wondering and it's great to have you here both sitting on set and working at twit and sitting behind me right over my shoulder right so everything that I enter my computer in her office. Yeah you have the ability to say it out loud now. I know it's great to have you on today. Thank you and yeah so I mean I was just GonNa say right up front yesterday. Was this thing you you may have heard of it. It was an apple announcement and I feel like as every year it happened. Hansel announced apple sucked like a vacuum. The news lose out of the world power for some reason. How does the company have that much power? You know I don't know but they did it but we do have some news that we can talk about We'll probably get a little bit later. Get into things that might touch a little bit on what apple talked about but we should probably start with live this whole antitrust thing because there's a bunch of threads happening right now as I was looking at the rundown there's all these different pieces moving the Justice Department of courses sources already probing Google you can add to that an antitrust investigation that was just now fifty states and territories analysis investigation on Monday they say Google dominates all aspects of advertising on the Internet and searching on the Internet. That's according to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. They're focusing on the online online advertising aspects to start they also have complaints on search result rankings protecting personal information a whole smorgasbord of of everything that we we read about in the news lately as far as what Google is doing badly they say Google poses an alleged leads. They're very good. That's impor- George Google poses a quote existential threat to our virtual marketplace. Now What's interesting here. Yes is that every state it is included on except Alabama and California but it's fifty states fifty states and territories they the throw in two territories to make the states right. Yes exactly which I mean in and of itself though that's a whole lot of involvement from all directions but you you know obviously Alabama California out on that they don't want a piece of the the flesh they get piece of the pie piece of the android Pie What do you think Jeff I mean this is just yet another pile on happening right well? I'm of two minds. Yes so facebook is also under this kind of of alleged scrutiny There's another story there about about Amazon. We have the far right going after the tech platforms because as they think they're being a not nice to them. We have the left going up because they're big capitalistic companies. we have a generalized media tech lash going on with a a newspaper or magazine publisher is suddenly becoming lobbyists which makes me very uncomfortable journalist trying to get protectionist legislation and regulation going on so that's the atmosphere which the this happens uh-huh. I'll come back to that in a second but having said all that and I'm I'm I always get worried about regulators going after the Internet and our freedoms Adams there I have long said alongside on this show that the one area where Google is vulnerable is in advertising they do control tremendous a part of the advertising market they have kingmakers role there they bought doubleclick years years ago and were perfectly allowed to do so though some sun at the time it shouldn't have happened and so yeah there is some weakness when it comes to advertise and the question is what evidence evidences their Google using his power in Europe they went after Google. There's still going to have to Google for its placement of shopping ads. That's ridiculous because shopping means hardly nothing seen in this the way off the mark is concerned but but an investigation of advertising we'll see what it yields. so that's that's part one part. Two is another piece in here that says from Yahoo Finance we need more monopolies like Google right and I really liked piece by by Rick Newman a senior columnist Yahu finance who talked about how Yes yes. They're going after him. Yes Elizabeth Warren to break up all the all the big tech companies yes trump is attacked them but he says if Google has an abusive monopoly that we we need more abusive monopolies 'cause there was clearly love being ripped off by Google ranking constantly consistently near the top among consumer brands consumers don't the problem with Google business model regulators sure do and and goes on then a little later after the story continues button and says that I if you're going to go after companies. Maybe you should go after equifax which just today everybody thought they were GonNa get hundred five bucks from them for their for their illegal horrible acts. No no no. We're GONNA make you walk through glass and steamy lava to get that money. I walked back sauce. I clicked through there for many many many things that they made you made you click click through to to to get the money. I don't expect that I will get any of the money but one hundred twenty five dollars worth of your Labor Labor your time but is it worth their no probably a little more right so so why are you evil companies like that and Wells Fargo Argo and companies that really do abuse their employees like in this column dollar tree and Dollar General and flower foods and extended side so and so forth and and you know they're almost treating the companies as if they're tobacco companies but show me the harm and that's that's my final point here is that is that I among consumers I see no harm I see nothing but benefit from these companies especially Google we can argue about facebook we you can argue about what you're thinking about facebook but google straight out is a service company that provides tremendous services for free without harm to consumers benefiting benefiting consumers. What's really going on all the old institutions of society economic government are threatened by the Internet and now they're fighting back against them and now I fear what's going to happen to our freedoms andersonville? Do you think is more of an ignorance about the internet or threat because every time we saw something in the in the court system would have you those leaders at like they knew nothing about the Internet at all. It's it's an important point and I think you're right. That's kind of the beginning point but I think basically that ignorance leads them to get used as tools of those who want to fight down the net and his freedoms Adams that includes unfortunately I'm sorry to say my colleagues in the newspaper Business and magazine business it includes politicians fear that movements this can now rise up against them and they can and and campaigns can rise up against them it includes but but here's one thing I don't hear the advertisers complaining I could be wrong. Maybe I'm listening to the right places but I don't hear them. Screaming bloody murderer abused abused by Google and that's really if they're going after an antitrust advertise. That should be the victim consumers are not the victim advertisers all in all aren't the victim they're they're in open marketplaces with with open bidding and they're getting a hell of a lot better deal. They ever did media WHO's complaining our media because media were too damn stupid so in one sense you're right aunt is the politicians were stupid but then that's Penati gets exploited by I might stupid colleagues and media who didn't know how to create a new businesses or new reality at an hour or resorting to this. Ir I think reading through that that Yahoo Finance who piece I realized that is the conundrum that I have found myself in. When I I kind of go back and forth as far as how I feel about all this stuff and I feel very hypocritical at times because on one hand like of course I don't want a company to abuses power anti competitive behavior? Is You know I would. I would not say well. That's a very good thing to be at a competitive like I want things to be fair and so I would push for that at the the same time and and so when I look at Google you know it's very easy for me to see why someone might get that feeling lacking any solid evidence like there's a lot of feeling going on right now when it comes uh-huh technology and I just feel like they're bad I feel like they're doing bad things and therefore we need a crackdown on the other side of it I am very loyal Google user and I enjoy all of these services and obviously I enjoy it enough to stick with Google otherwise I would have left left Google for something else so it isn't. It hasn't isn't hit that tipping point where I'm like. Well it serious enough where I've seen the evidence that I need in order to pull that troy leave it or not people were some people are happy with facebook there with the with the results that they get for a lot of advertising on facebook with their business and things like that or yeah there are some people that are happy with regardless of of some of the interesting practices that they may have in place. I think you know I think all these big companies. All of them have interesting practices facebook facebook for and that's where I began to also feel more hypocritical right like I did step away from facebook. I don't have a facebook account anymore for whatever reason in in the field of facebook that was motivating enough for me to step away and close my account but if I really compare what these services are doing. There's there's a lot of overlap or a lot of similarity. Why why would I as user give Google pass and not facebook? It's Kinda hard to put my finger on it. You can jim what why why yeah I'm going to try to.."