Listen: President, Jason Johnson And Nancy Pelosi discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"And Jason Johnson is back with us and David this shutdown as it approaches, the first missing paycheck payday on Friday is already seeing reports of increasing defections among House Republicans political report tonight indicating easily as many as twenty five could vote for the Bill. If Nancy Pelosi brings it back up. Jason said in the last segment of with the president must now be looking for is is an exit some kind of face-saving exit someone that you can blame this on somebody else. And one of the things that Republicans in congress needs to be very careful of is that they will do in a pinch. The president would prefer to blame Democrats. But he's ready to blame them. If this national emergency project is exposed as illegal does it doesn't have to work. It just has to make create enough of a facade. The president can later say I was ready to fight to the end, but Mitch McConnell he sold out and moved the blame dam and Jason Johnson that maybe the national emergency ploy that he tries. A would it would immediately be stopped by federal courts. Maybe that's his way out saying, I you know, I as David saying, you know, he's gonna find a thing where he says I tried and someone else stopped me one thing that we know about Donald Trump Lawrence's. He never lacks for people to blame. It could be the democrat that could be the liberals on the court. Even if those happen to be people who were appointed by Republicans. It can be anyone that he wants to blame. I suspect at one point. Once we start hearing more stories about people missing paychecks and possibly convicted from their homes. He'll blame landowners, he'll say, hey, you know, your, your, landlord, etc, etc. Should have been more reasonable. There's never going to be a point in any of this crisis. Where Donald Trump will take responsibility for anything. But I think the problem is this at some point he could only beat on his own party. So many times the Democrats don't care they control the house. But at some point the Republicans will revolt they don't like the idea that they're going to be taking this from both sides. They're getting angry calls from their constituents and they're going to get angry calls from President Trump. That's not gonna work, and he's going to destroy whatever kind of loyalty still has. And here's a here's a pressure. That's going to be allowed Republicans because the money if this thing goes this crazy scheme does somehow go forward the president has to take his emergency funds for the wall from another military project. What project would that be something? In somebody's district and Republicans are much more. Likely to military facilities in their districts, the Democrats are but it's my suspicion. David just legally that the whole thing would be shut down before one dollar of the defense budget was spent in this direction that the courts would step in and shut it down that quickly. If that s Jason say that gives the president of then, well, these these liberal judges, I would've loved to do it. I mean, he needs to look tough in his own mind and he needs to cover his retreat because he he got himself into a predicament. And remember earlier he was saying I want Nancy Pelosi to get out of the predicament. Who does he think Nancy Pelosi is his dad that's not her job? That's his dad's job. And Jason we see the president. We see Nancy Pelosi doing something. That's very simple. She's just saying the word. No, that's all she's giving. The president meantime, the president is publicly negotiating with himself in all sorts of ways, including what is this wall? Is it concrete is it not concrete he publicly negotiated away. Concrete with himself without Nancy Pelosi saying another word. Yeah. The president's negotiation. Skills are terrible. He's going to be left naked at the poker table every single time. He goes up against Nancy Pelosi because she doesn't have to give him anything anymore and in watching the president. And you said it perfectly negotiating with him.."