Listen: Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers And Mike Mccarthy discussed on NBC Sports Radio
"Longtime head coach Mike McCarthy after Sunday's stunning home loss to the lowly Arizona Cardinals. And a lot of time was spent on Monday thinking about and talking about where the Packers go from here. CEO Mark Murphy and GM Brian good Kunz met with the media to explain what they did to get to this point. And where they're going to go moving forward. Joe philbin. The interim head coach met with the media and Aaron Rodgers at his locker had some things to say and Peter before we push this thing forward being the Murphy. Thought process fairly simple. He said that Mike McCarthy's time had run its course. And he compared the situation to the eagles in two thousand twelve Andy Reid out. He goes to Kansas City. Everything's fine. The eagles have a Super Bowl championship. Although it took two coaches to get there. Do you think it's that simple? That McCarthy lands on his feet and his great somewhere else and the Packers just keep being the Packers moving forward. Maybe mike. I don't think it's that simple now because I think there's a difference in the two coaches. I think he Andy Reid is significantly more imaginative than Mike McCarthy. I've been waiting in the last few weeks for the Packers to do some weird stuff too. To to basically do what Matt Nagy did at the end of the fourth quarter of the game. At the Meadowlands on Sunday were they do a double reverse and to Rico and takes the ball and passes it for a touchdown. And again, I'm not saying you have to do just fluky crazy things. But I just want you to tell you tell me in the last three or four weeks with the season in flames. Do you see anything really different with the Green Bay Packers? Did they do anything on offense where you say that was clever? That was cool. That was fun. These Seaney, Sean Payton tendencies Seaney, Sean McVay tendencies. These see any Andy Reid tendencies. I don't. And so I believe that Mike McCarthy is a very good NFL head coach. But he is not the imaginative coach that some of those other guys are. Yeah. I agree with you completely. And from the Packers standpoint, you know, the challenges coming up with ways to get the most out of the team that has put around Aaron Rodgers one comment from Brian Khuda Kunz struck me yesterday. I mean, he and he's the GM. So he's got a vested interest in this. But he said there's no issue with the talent in the locker room. This isn't about not having enough guys who can play this is about getting more out of them. And that's why the focal point became the head coach. Do you think there's currently enough talent in Green Bay for with the right coach the Packers to be as competitive as they need to be? Yes. I do. In part because. I think what's been proven in football today is that you can overcome some weaknesses with imagination. And never and look I'm going to go to Bill Belichick. You look at the New England Patriots on offense for the majority of this season. When the majority of the time, I don't know fifty five sixty percent, whatever it is. They haven't had their best running back Sony. Michelle. I don't think they've had their best receiver except for maybe two or three games where he's even a shell of what he was and rob gronkowski. And so I think when you look at what coaches need to do when they're down some talent is they need to improvise. You know, they need to make things happen in other ways. And that's what I didn't see the Green Bay Packers doing and add. To that. They were making big mistakes at big times the time on Gumri play in you know, taking the ball out of the end zone with two minutes left at the Rams when all Aaron Rodgers needed to do was drive the ball. Maybe thirty five yards for a chance at the winning field goal. The Aaron Jones fumble in New England in a seventeen seventeen game in the fourth quarter. You know, they're making just dumb mistakes that really good teams do not make. And so if you ask me do they have the talent they have the talent. They don't have the best talent in football. But they have the talent to be competitive. They've got good young defensive talent particularly in the secondary. And so might Mark Murphy absolutely unequivocally. Right. We needed a new voice we needed a change. It's been apparent for most of this season. And I think the Packers depending on who they pick. I won't be. Surprised if they're not the favorite in the NFC north next year, and the voices that will be involved in that process. Very important gonna play a couple of pieces of sound from yesterday. Let's start with Mark Murphy on the question of what the quarterbacks role will be in the process of selecting the new head coach. Here's the CEO of the Packers. Does he have? To include them in any of us. Officers interviews Pearl process. No, no, he won't, you know, obviously, he's free to provide input and talk to us. But he's not going to be part of the process. All right. That's murphy. Who's gonna make the decision here is Aaron Rodgers at his locker on Monday with reporters addressing the same question. How involved does he want to be? And will he be in the process of hiring a new coach? Mark, and Brian, and I've always said. Good lines of communication their offices. Like, they say are always open conversations with them. Like I've had over the years. I'm not needing to be involved in that process before that he said, he has an interest in who the next guy will be which, you know, from both guys, Murphy and Rogers, you're getting mixed signals input. Yes. Part of the process. No, I feel like they've got this awkward balancing act, Peter where they feel like they can't have him involved. They can't create the impression he's involved. How can he not be involved? He's under contract for five more years. He's a franchise quarterback. He is the main guy that has to have the right relationship with the head coach how in the world. Do you not involve him, even if it is having him meet with the candidates in the presence of Brian Gouda Kunst to Mark Murphy. So they can assess the chemistry or lack thereof between Rogers and a person they're bringing through with the possibility of that person becoming the head coach I can't figure out why the Packers seemed to be so hesitant to state the obvious here. Of course, he's in. Volved? He's one of the best quarterbacks ever play football. And we need him to be on board with who his next coaches. Mike when I hear those words, the one thing, I think is a wait a second. If I'm John de Filipo of the Vikings or if I'm Josh mcdaniels or or pick a guy whoever the next coach would be I wanna talk to him. Forget about whether he wants to talk to me, I wanna talk to him because I want to know one thing. One vital thing about Aaron Rodgers. And that is okay. I'm I'm I've watched a lot of tape of the Packers. I've watched a lot of tape of you guys. And I wanna know one thing do you want to be coached? Do you want to be coached hard? If you ask Tom Brady, for instance, in New England K, if you ask him how hard he's coached by Josh mcdaniels he'll tell you significantly, and he'll say, I want to be coach that way if you as drew Brees about Sean Payton, and and and and Pete Carmichael, and Joe Lombardi I want to be coached, I'm coached hard. And so I wanna know from Aaron Rodgers right from the jump. Okay. We're gonna change x y Z around here. We might do some RPO's. You're good on your feet. We're going to do some different things here. And I wanna know are you on board? Are you gonna do what I believe is best for this team? So forget about whether Aaron Rodgers wants to talk to these guys if I'm these guys I want to talk to him. And I don't think I'm taking this job unless I can talk to him because I want to know those things 'cause they're very very important. I think to the future this offense and to the future of the Green Bay Packers. And that's a great point, Peter. And he addressed that yesterday. There was a question posed to Rogers about whether at this stage in his career he essentially has an inclination of his own offensive coordinator like Peyton Manning was perceived to be here's what Rogers said I enjoy being coached. I think any player does you love the conversations the feedback, and I think any great player holds himself to really high standards. So I you have to be very critical of your own performance. But it's always nice. Having a voice in there. That's gonna hold you accountable. I think any player, especially an older player you want that you want that feedback. Somebody holding you cannibal someone coaching you up, and it's one thing for him to say that at his locker, but I agree with you a good coach somebody who can read people is going to be able to have that conversation with Aaron Rodgers and get the sense in his heart. Is this someone who is going to take coaching or is he just saying all the things he thinks he needs to say. And is he going to be a relentless pain in my ass when I try to coach him and you're right on the money. Forget about Aaron Rodgers involvement the coach who is being under or is under consideration and being considered for that job. He needs to want to talk to Aaron Rodgers does he needs to know what he's getting himself into. Mike. Two three weeks ago. I spent Saturday night with the New Orleans Saints as they prepared to play the eagles, and one of the things that was very noticeable. When I saw the interaction of drew Brees with his teammates. And the interaction of drew Brees with his coaches. He was a sponge he was a sieve. He saves the wrong word. Sorry. He was a sponge. But drew Brees was a sponge because he wanted to know what do you guys think? And be I like this play. What are your thoughts and by my count, Mike? There were forty six plays in that game plan that drew Brees requested the night before the game. Hey, look, these are the ones I like, and I can't tell you how many the actually ran in a game. But every single one Sean Payton gave them a little bit of feedback and said, hey, this is really good because of this. So I mean, there was that kind of relationship that's the kind of relations. Ship in my opinion that a CEO quarterback wants with his head coach because the quarterback is going to go out on the field. And he's going to either have to change the play or he's going to have to run the play that was called. And the most important thing is for that quarterback to believe in it. I had a stat in my column on Monday, Mike in which I said that Aaron Rodgers is on his way to having the most throwaways ever since pro football focus has recorded a statistic in two thousand six and what I mean by throwaways is you know, he's at forty seven before Sunday's game at forty seven throwaways. Basically are you know, if you don't think the play has a chance you throw it into the first of the bleachers? You throw it into the ground. Whatever, you know. And it's almost like if you watch Aaron Rodgers on some of these and I'm reading far too much into the ink blots into the. Rohrschack test here. But if you watch some of these it's like, I hate this play. And again, I'm I'm guessing it that, but that is the impression I've had of some of these Aaron Rodgers throwaways those can't happen. If you look and see Aaron Rodgers completion percentage way down this year. He's got forty seven wasted balls. And so to me, Mike, I just look at this. He's thrown away three and a half times the league average it all that has to change tie break. We have more to come here on the best or pro-football talk live."