A highlight from [Unedited] Michael Longley with Krista Tippett


Veterans new study. What does spirituality mean to us reveals. How spirituality informs our understanding of ourselves and each other and inspires us to take action for the common good explore. These findings and more at spirituality study got org. I'm krista tippett up next my unedited conversation with michael longley. There is as always a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast. It's just it's so amazing. To be in belfast. We're so delighted to be here with corey. Mula when padre who's been a friend of the show Who's been actually on the show. And i will interview him again while i'm here and And and a friend of the show in many ways. And to be at the mac interviewing michael longley as great honor and i'm pretty daunted to interview you here in your city I i think. I should say just by way of introduction that i am going to be introducing you to a largely american audience and so i may go over some ground. That will be very familiar to people here and there may be some ground. We don't we don't tread on because we can't do it justice because of the complexity of it that the deep history of this place one thing i was really aware of as we were preparing to come here and i was preparing to speak with you. Is that this is a place that in recent memory has moved away from sectarianism however humanly and fitfully. That happens and we're at this moment where it feels like much of the rest of the world is drawing sectarianism so i may be s asking different kinds of questions than i would have asked you in a few months ago. Secunda seeking a different kind of wisdom. I believe that that that some of what you know here. The rest of us need to know and a piece of that is the importance of letting the voices of poets rise in the mist of tumult and be part of our way of finding our way back to the possibility of lived. Peace finding out what that can mean. So thank you so much for for being here for for accepting this invitation. My wife used to say the g. hoped northern ireland would become night the rest of the world and She now point site. The rest of the world's becoming as northern ireland used to be so this place has learned some very complicated lessons and some of our politicians make me believe in the possibility of redemption. And competitiveness was also was like or belfast. Was like ten years ago. The places on recognizable. And i'm proud. It's very incomplete and very imperfect but we're getting there So i am. I always begin my conversations. Whoever i'm speaking with whether they are a scientist or theologian inner poet by inquiring about the religious or spiritual background of someone's childhood and that kind of takes us right into the dynamics here and it's a question that i understand has a special intensity and layers of meaning for somebody who was born in a protestant household of english parents in south belfast. How would you start to reflect on that the religious or spiritual background of your childhood mother and father were english Which means that. I'm an anglophile. I'm unavoidable british But i was born on ireland on on an island called ireland and i. Mari saw him both those things on both british and irish. And about what the belfast. Peace agreement unloaded me to be freely. My parents were lisi. Agnostics and there was new. Religion was not part of my daily life as a child. When i was about sixteen. I had a rush of blood to the head and i got confirmed the anglican church by bishop elliott. I remember and that was when i was sixteen but That that kind of commitment has gradually faded and I would call myself a night. Nonstick called yourself a sentimental disbelieve over. A yes i envy people who have faith I when my wife had a fellowship in cambridge I used to visit her. And i went across the road every day of the week to send jones for even so and even so is a big part of my life culturally but in a way that religion. I'd take the religion. I i take the music and the words the more of this prob- At one of chris. Great gifts to the I that's what i take audits When we turn east and say that create. i'm afraid. I don't believe a word of it but when i think of of the spiritual background of one's childhood i think there's more to that than religion. I see how how much you have thought about and written about your your father's time as you say a boy soldier in the trenches of the great war and you've written that he when you were growing up he was he would scream in his sleep. He was having a traumatic memories. And to me that also feels like part of what would've colored your sense of of the world. It's morality safety. Will the mistrial of his survival when he joined up as a boy soldier in nineteen fourteen and he survived the end of the war whether the survivor rate was about three weeks at certain times. So that's That's a mystery to me that he survived in that i'm here I do believe in transcendental. I believe that poetry and art with either transcendental element doesn't really doesn't really exist for me But i'm completely outside any notion of firm organized religion on site they sentimentalist as you could say once to once every four or five years i am. I take communion. I'm in charge. And i remember in a beautiful swedish sunland We went to this lutheran trach. And it was a female pastor and she. She was a coming out Communion and i said to my wife. I said i'm going up and i went up tonight took to communion and i look deep into her and it was a deep experience Whether it was religious or not. I don't know and i don't really care and then we'd ending a new zealand. Port koffler adcock staying with us and she wanted. She's a believer. She wanted to pull it to our local church. Where i was baptized and confirmed salons balloon on ascension day and i took her there And she went. Up to take communion. I went with her and i believe in the poetry of it. You know but the the poetry. I would and I'm i'm interested in in jesus as a revolution report

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