A highlight from Ep 440 | Facing Demonic Forces & Spiritual Warfare | Guest: Billy Hallowell
Hey guys welcome to relatable. Today i am talking to billy hollowell. He wrote a book called playing with fire. And it's about supernatural activity. Demonic possession satan satanic powers thinks so we don't necessarily talk about explicitly that much on this podcast or really in christian culture at all but he has uncovered why he thinks it's so important especially in this present moment for christians to understand that this is going on to see how this is going on and then for is with the power of christ to push back against this. I we're actually going to talk about a little political subject. But it'll tell together because he did not vote for trump in twenty twenty and so we're going to talk a little bit about our differences in our agreements there. So it's a really good conversation that i'm looking forward to hearing here. Is billy holwell belly. Thank you so much for joining me. I think a lot of people who are listening or watching already familiar with you and your work but just in case. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you do sure. Yeah so. i am a journalist. I'm a commentator. I actually worked at the blaze. I was the faith editor at the blaze for about a five years and some huge blaze fan and i've been working for really the last fifteen years more than fifteen years now in and so politics and faith in the last five to seven years. My focus has been culture and faith and just diving deep into patterns of what we see happening. Wyatt's happening and sort of helping people navigate that and you wrote a book called plane with fire and about supernatural activity and monica activity. And i want to get into all of that. And i'm super excited. That's going to be the boko. Lavar bulk of our episode. But something that you. And i have talked about on twitter before that we talked about a longtime ago discussing on. This podcast is your support. Then you're not support of donald trump and by support. I just kind of mean. The chew voted for him in two thousand sixteen. You did not vote for him and twenty twenty. And i'm just so interested to hear your reasoning on that because that's not something that i hear a lot of conservative christian. Say that they did. It's sort of the opposite right. You hear a lot of people. Say i didn't vote in two thousand sixteen and then i did in twenty twenty and so here's the thing i live in new york and i had said many times during the campaign and this is sort of sounds like a cop out but if i lived in a state where i felt like it really mattered i would have shown up in voted differently right and so i didn't vote for either trump or biden and i really struggled honestly with the entire thing and i think for me it was you know in two thousand sixteen. I sat down with trump two weeks before the election. he called a bunch of never trumpers to trump tower. And i have to tell you. I wasn't never trumper. I've never been never trumper. I've never been a pro pro. Pro rata trumper. But i sat there and listened to him. And i was really conflicted in two thousand sixteen as well. Not between the two candidates. I wasn't going to vote for hillary. But whether or not i wanted to put my name on this whole trump thing and so at the end of the day i felt like i wanted to give him a shot and i did it and i have to tell you hollister wise. I think it's really hard for a lot of conservatives. Of course we can pull out little bits and pieces of things. We don't agree with that. We don't like it's really hard to walk away and say oh. Trump did a terrible job on policy. I think you take the capital and all that other chaos no matter people think about that and push it to the side for me. His rhetoric has always been very problematic. And i am the first person to say you vote on policy. And so when i walked into the polls and i was voted in in two thousand and twenty. I honestly didn't know what i was gonna do. Walking in and i just prayed about it. And i felt like you know what i live in new york. I don't need to do this. And so i chose. I chose not to do it now. A lot of people have been very angry at me. But i make the point. It doesn't really matter. I live in new york. The state was going to biden. And so it was sort of an easy cop out for me so it wasn't based on any kind of principle or any reason other than you just didn't think that it was going to do anything. Well no of course for me. The principal was having having struggled with the rhetoric and having struggled with the behavior. You know. I've spent a lot of time looking at my own behavior in media. The things i've said when i started in media was fifteen years old. I'm thirty seven now. So i've been doing this for a long time. I've been out there talking and saying things and speaking for a very long time. And i don't know that for me i've i've always handled myself the way that i would want to right and so i looked back at that and i look at the way that trump is and for me. I just felt convicted. That i wasn't going to go out there. I wasn't going to support it. I'm not judging those who did. Listen i understand the reasons for supporting trump. i've been out of the strict politics world now for a couple of years and so i've had the flexibility to not have to dive into those discussions. If i don't want to and for me. I just really felt like i'm not going to do this. I'm not going to put my name on it. I'm not going to subscribe to it right now and having said all of that i know it. Sparks anger in some people have had a lot of conversations about this people who feel that people like me.