James Clapper, Russia and President Trump discussed on 1947: The Meet the Press Podcast


Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the meet the apprentice depress. Welcome to nineteen forty seven. The meet the press podcast by guests today is James Clapper. He was President Obama's director of national intelligence and spent a combined fifty years five zero in government service, and he's the author of a new book called Faxon fears, hard truths from a life in in intelligence. The book details Clapper's years in the intelligence community and some of the nation's most profound challenges after nine eleven. And it seems like he was in the middle of all of them, whether it was the Intel leading up to the Iraq war, the Snowden leaks. And of course, President Trump, he begins and ends with an indictment of Russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen election and his concerns for American democracy and the Trump era. Mr. Clapper welcome in nineteen forty, seven remote. You're having me. So let me start with something that shocked me when you said it, and yet I understand why you came to this conclusion personally, and that is that you said you came to your own personal conclusion that Russia did change. Election results that their interference elected, Donald Trump, president cost, Hillary Clinton, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania specifically, what made you go all the way there? Well, I I need to caveat my response by making clear one more time that the intelligence community assessment that we officially rendered on the six, January twenty seventeen did not make a call on whether the Russian meddling had any impact whatsoever. On the outcome of the election. The intelligence community has neither the charter of the thorny of the resources to do that. So I need to make that point clear. Secondly, this in no way is an indictment for of anybody who voted for Mr. Trump. So break break twentieth of January, twenty seventeen. Now I'm a private citizen and having thought about this a lot and having learned a lot since I left the government and I. Recount in in the book about the massive multidimensional effort that the Russians ran their campaign, the information operations campaign. They ran to influence the election and the fact that was it turned on eighty thousand or so votes in three states. To me, it just stretches logic and credulity to ignore the elephant living room and suggests the Russians didn't only impact the election, but I think turned it as well. Book goes into some detail on the striking parallels and similarities between what the Russians were doing and saying, and what the Trump campaign was doing or saying lots of similarities there in themes and timing. The particularly when it pertained to Hillary Clinton, her alleged scandals and her alleged maladies both physical and mental. So as I've had time to think about this and I am having some fairly detailed appreciation for what the Russians did, that is the conclusion I came to, but I must empha-. Cise I understand that that that is what I would call informed opinion. Based on this that tells me you probably think Brexit. Probably that it's possible the Russian interference then considering that election was so close, the Russian interference might have been the difference there, or would you would your Intel colleagues in the UK be making a similar natural? They would. I, I don't know that extended that that that certitude about what happened. I I do think Russians had some play in that. It certainly came as a surprise much as our election did came as a surprise to many British officials I can. I can say that for sure, with respect to my intelligence counterparts in the UK were taken aback by the results of that, but I don't know, don't I don't personally have level detail on on that election as I did on hours you spent, I

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