Schmidt, Director, J. Allen Hynek Center discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


Schmidt is the former co director of the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies where he served as director of special investigations for ten years prior to that he was a special investigator for the late Dr J. Allen Hynek for the international UFO reporter don's research became the foundation for the movie Roswell a film that brought the details of the denial and disinformation of nineteen forty seven to its largest audience ever Thomas Carey has been a mutual UFO network state section director in southeastern Pennsylvania a special investigator for the J. Allen Hynek center for UFO studies and a member of the Ku foes board of directors Tom began investigating aspects of the Roswell incident in nineteen ninety one for the Roswell investigative team of Kevin Randall and don Schmitt and since nineteen ninety eight he's teamed exclusively with don to continue a proactive investigation their new book it's a good one is Roswell the chronological pictorial Thomas don welcome back to coast to coast AM how are you nice to be with your Richard Rainier it you're going to be with you again it is a bit into an absolutely stunning book how many photographs illustrations maps all told you know yes I I'd actually have to add them up there's four hundred and sixty two photographs which includes several maps of the crash site and there's no other Roswell book like this even the ones that don and I have written it there's you as you said in your intro it takes the reader it puts the reader right into the case it brings the case alive and it takes you from the time of the crash through just just before the time of the crash right up to the present day by day hour by hour sometimes minute by minute the month by month year by year and we have the these photographs to the illustrates bring the case to life that every step what is important to point out the book is that it's almost like a story board that you would put together for a movie four as you might produce within a court of law N. or even the two of us for common myself in in piecing it together in this manner it's even afforded us to re investigate re examined and it demonstrates its solidifies the case we believe is greater than ever in that because we're able to put this more very few other and then for the reader as well as sponsored by drawing them in the situation it eliminates a lot of the questions it fills in many of the gaps that the text the text will co host couldn't zero zero of vividly account for because they they they could describe in the past that's the wonderful thing about it because we've had a Melissa Mikey's I've had a number of very skeptical individuals look at this and they would call my god it comes together like a script it comes together is the OHL what else what other explanation could there be because nothing else fits in this scenario except with the eye witnesses have been telling common myself all these years I might add Richard does it suck because the table type book which is slightly larger than your normal reading book and on like other coffee table books I'm sure you've seen them they some of them may take up the whole table well this doesn't it's it's just a little bit larger than your normal book and it's got the full complement of pages it's not just it's not just like a quarter of an inch thick like a lot of coffee table books it's two hundred sixty two pages which is a full book and as I said the earlier you we have over four hundred photographs it it brings the reader in into the case and brings the case brings the case alive right Anderson some new information in here as well and then we'll get into some of that one of the the interesting things is you you you've been able with the help of a researcher to track down not only the exact day but almost the exact hour of the crash tell me about how that was pieced together and then what the result was well we the date of the crash was always a loose of for researchers beginning back I guess when the first book came out in nineteen eighty the Roswell incident the the date has varied from originally I think it was July the second nineteen forty seven and then when Randle and Schmitt did the they did two books together it moved up to July the fourth but one of our associates by the name of David the Rudy act out in California the witnesses to the back when they were still alive they recall that the the crash took place during a severe thunder and lightning storm and this is in central do New Mexico the week of July first week in July well he he got a hold of the weather records and the only thunderstorm that week in the first week of July nineteen forty seven was on the evening of July the second and so that's how we're able to sort of pinpoint the date was this the only thunderstorm that week was at the evening of July the second so and we have witnesses that the recall that there was a thunder and lightning storm during the during the crash they heard a they heard a ship circling around overhead that sounded like it was in trouble and then a few moments later they heard the smallholder explosion and that that's how we were able to pinpoint it you also put faces to some of the names that we heard about some of the witnesses that you've written about over the years and the corona ranchers that as you say we're able to pinpoint you know a particular is the sound of that they heard a particular our for example corona ranch Eugene Cole we actually see her picture here I don't know that you've you've published one of her before but this is kind of a nice a nice tribute to these witnesses because now we know you know these are just words on a page these are human beings their faces behind all the names and one of the wonderful sources we've had from the very beginning was the fact that the Roswell army air field produce they publish the annual yearbook which it turns out was just for two three years back at that time but none the less we had over three thousand potential witnesses as as far as an R. source source material back at that time and this week regarding the civilian witnesses you mentioned James many of these people were referred to us by other civilians people who lived in the Roswell community at that time or out in the surrounding Lincoln County the high desert region of New Mexico all were the crash originated and this is just like any criminal investigation minus a crime the prices of up in the field pro active tracking down these people and and sadly just about everyone of them is now gone and I think it is in many ways Tom it and myself were we would say we we've always said we've we've been racing with the undertaker so to speak and though the undertaker's one and so that's why this book is such a wonderful tribute as well to all of those witnesses who were brave enough not to step forward because they didn't the was always a one of the read the yellow red flags whatever witness would contact us hurriedly they were never reliable because in in actuality the true witnesses were far from willing to go public in most cases they were very reluctant they were actually concerned for their safety of themselves and their families and so that's true yours was quite evident to us as to the magnitude of the stories they had to tell this is about one of them but one of the points on on Dodge street was correct that ninety nine percent of the witnesses that we found didn't quote unquote come forward we we had to find them and dig them out is it that it what happened was that the with the ones that came forward and there were not a whole lot of them but usually they turn it turned out badly they they were making up something or they didn't have enough courage to follow through on what what they wanted to present to us and ninety like I said ninety nine percent we had to locate on our own one of the interesting things that I've I've learned reading this book and and that has to do with you know it wasn't like this crap just fell out of the sky and crashed in and M. Brazzell mac Brazel discovered it the days leading up to that there was no people were saying things in the sky and and there were there were some there was some activity unknowns on these radar facilities in places like Roswell N. L. Albuquerque white sands and and Alamogordo which has always left me wondering with this these radar installations because there's kind of this debate about what brought down this craft was it the lightning war could have been some sort of interference in its in its it in the in the ship because of these radar facilities well we know that the theory that is occasionally you know presented itself but I think we're the only ones that really investigated the fact that New Mexico I mean I'm I'm amazed how often especially when I think the Tom and I we lecturing will invariably always ask the audience word of the person Tomek bombs or was it the first time a bomb detonated it's amazing how many of them alerted faculty and and college professors wealth quickly walked towards Japan well how about right here how about New Mexico in fact how bout just a couple hours west of Roswell and the fact that the first atomic bomb squadron the five one night bomb wing was stationed there in nineteen forty seven so they were the elite within the military best officers pilots crew doctors nurses if you swept a broom on that base back in nineteen forty seven it was because you were the best sweeper in the military are not and so it just made perfect sense that there were more Soviet spies in New Mexico there anywhere else at that time for obvious reasons and according to the forces own project Bluebook there were more UFO sightings in New Mexico than anywhere else at that time it was as though someone else was very interested in our military potential and I'll be the first area that they would check out and so the head as a result white sands specifically just a couple hours west of Roswell to the north Trinity site the first atomic bomb detonation end at white sands they were launching the captured German V. two rocket after World War two so they had the most sophisticated radar system at that time in the world and unlike you other systems such as in Roswell and a cannon in Clovis New Mexico in Kirkland up in Albuquerque white sands was able to track incoming as well as departing craft rocket launchers whatever they were testing at that time the other airports the other bases we're only able to track incoming so they were still rather unsophisticated for the time but none the less the systems were there and because it was New Mexico you had that much activity that much traffic and the radar lobes as they would circle from their transmissions and the case of white sands it's reception those loads as it just conveniently been intersected over Lincoln County and I think that's where this first your theory as to what was it the radar did the radar somehow jam their system because the two cause them to malfunction and then explode but here's the cute key point Richard it didn't it wasn't a crash it was a mid air explosion that was one of the things that even military such as major Jesse Marcel the first military officer to arrive at the scene concluded that based on the wide coverage the expanse of the debris field that this clearly was a mid air explosion causing it to then the rain debris for extended length of of of of of of of material and a space sold if it was the mid air explosion Tom and I believe that it was either struck by lightning or internal malfunction we don't believe that the radar logs had anything to do with it because it how would the radar cause it to explode we just have not found any one excellent point rate that that would have happened but the next day Thursday July third and mac Brazel is I would inspecting I guess the sheep pasture he sat there with a young Timothy D. proctor there's a photo a series of photos in the book and I'm not sure if those are are are from nineteen forty seven or present day this earlier on in the book but I'm just wondering to what it how does it look today does it does that's that stretch of land look pretty much the same way it did back in forty seven is the pumping station still there at central.

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