Amanda Knox, Officer, John Douglas discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
But just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop, you know, feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that duality I think the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they more common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serious crimes using the cover of the badge. Yeah. We we. We didn't have a whole lot of those cases. I had to case at a San Diego where it was a a police officer who would teach rake possession ended up being a a rapist, and we're able to Lincoln forensically through a badge the fibers. From the basil badge. We're on the victims that we got into the interrogation and able to get a confession out of him. A big one that we did part of our thirty six uh serial killers. In the initial study was got him Gerald Shafer in Florida. He balanced from department to department small departments, and and they would get rid of him. But they give him a good recommendation. Just so they can get get rid of him. He ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls over hitchhiking in his police vehicle took him to motel and later on it came back the next day to pick them up, and it's personal car on his personal car. You had a trailer hitch and his thing would be sexual hanging. So he took these girls out into no area. Oh, gosh. Hi, them up to the girls got away got away. And then the rest was made. But then the search search was done of residents. We had diaries. Where he wrote about some freebies crimes at the police. Never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith belonging to victims as well in the search warrant, so he was good. He was convicted on onto they Lincoln thinking about thirty thirty homicides, and he was killed in nineteen ninety-five. Another inmate stabbed them today in prison down in Florida. So when you hear that would you hear something like that does that bring you some sense of relief or Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I I've I have when it comes to death valley. I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago, New York with Amanda Knox. I helped him in the next get out of prison in Italy. And also heard of the case the west Memphis three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. I case very closely. And so I helped they me and Damien Echols was on the path. And Joe Berlinger. It was on the panel with mixed. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings. Brought me in at the time. Everything was secret along with this group of forensic. You know, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of the bureau. I I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of euro, I've been helping on cases where I I see false. Confessions have been then given by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in attack team the case, Amanda Knox. They brought in ten police officers. Detectives who are interrogator attack team over forty hours to break down. And I always say an innocent person is easy to ensure gate than than the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're at your gated. You know, like this by some say, it's corrupt the investigator. They think that the person being targeted. Well, this will be over here that will come out. I get my attorney they'll know that. But meanwhile, you can fast or you've you've signed a confession and problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the tape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And I mean from the beginning to the end not not turning the tape recorder on after you got the concession because you've made or a scrupulous it facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors here is. Oh, yeah. Just personally he knew everything about the case. So. So. So I changed. But when I see these predatory types I and visit all kinds of evidence that we have all not just I witnessed estim- only or some jailhouse snitch or something like that that. Yeah. I I I worry that. And I get a lot of calls from people are saying because my attitude when I when people say Minnesota medicine. Oh, yeah. That prisons are fully innocent. It is, you know, people kinda sarcastically. But they are we have a case in Virginia here Norfolk four four four navy then independently confess to a crime that nothing to do with and they got a concession. But then his DNA didn't match. But then they got him to give another navy, man. Name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA. Did this what I'll do four. They got four. And the and the guys went to prison for years, and they finally got out not too many years ago. Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know why. But Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends that shade tree, computer. Yes. I'm here. I'm a blind person. We have a police officer a lot of them. And can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not too good. The engine case people need we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know him. Personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire and he went rammed. And Ray he wasn't response. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the way, this is that he did nothing. Then there were other police officers Ozark tastes the guy on the ground nineteen times has one handle it. And if we ever get arrested. What should we do if especially for innocent and okay questions? Go ahead talk. You don't talk you you. I don't care if it's your pulled over for traffic stop. I would tell my own children as you go. And and say I want to. Have an attorney won't have attorney, you know, represent right away. 'cause I'm not saying there is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have we have a we'll have David Hansard Robert hands his name. Yeah. Gave information to Russia view. It's. I mean, if you should not be taken to a room in Syra gated, and you should require request. You wanna speak to your to your attorney as soon as as soon as right away. Very. You think innocent this will come out? But, but you know, you can manipulate the manipulate someone even the confessed do be browbeaten and a lot of innocent people won't request in an attorney. They don't because they think I'll explain it to them. And but the tactics that use. I mean, you can be vulnerable. I mean, I've seen so many cases and where people even like, Amanda. Stage with her this people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case, it was one guy. Good day. Is francis? Bloody prints thing prince of fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's not Amanda. It's not Ravi else. Let you know the boyfriend nothing nothing the west Memphis three they interrogate a kid with a seventy two I q you told them there was cheese on the moon, and he would have agreed with you. And they broke them broke this down. He had nothing nothing to do. None. None of them anything to do with the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damian spent ten on death row when they were finally freed. And fortunately, the I I spoke to the that the district attorney says what do they want? What are they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you need? Well, I don't know. I turned out why he didn't know about exonerating because he was running for political office. Right. And he was looking for, you know, this is so interesting we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes, and then we'll get to open lines. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you at the very end of follow up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on a wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for the completely creepy. Song from silence of the lambs. Anyway. I.