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I won't know that is saving my soul to listen to the radio they say that chance good I gotta do to day and what you're hearing right now was the soundtrack to Mike pence's salvation he grew up in a conservative Catholic family sort of just going through the motions of his face and then he went to a music festival in Kentucky what you're hearing now is music from one of the bands that perform there and this is where Mike pence says he found Jesus I heard glass a great singing and I heard lots of wonderful preaching and Saturday nights sitting in a light rain I've I walk down and not you know not out of anything other than my my heart really finally broke with the deep realization that what it happened on the cross and some infinitesimal way happen for me and I gave my life and made a personal decision the trustees five of my soul this is a turning point in pence's religious evolution his political career though was less linear he ran for Congress twice in nineteen eighty eight and nineteen ninety he loses both times then he decides to try his hand at something else give me a shout riding on the Mike pen show a daily talk radio show I am always jazz because we have an opportunity to play catch up with you the listeners of this broadcast on topics that we covered over the course of the week journalist Tom lo bianco says the radio show was about more than just getting pence's name out there I think people take the wrong lesson from that when they say that he built his name ID that's what you need to win I think you're missing the bigger point which is this is where he gets his antenna from and his political antenna point him to the kinds of cultural and social issues that revved up a religious audience and then you remember that senior thesis about Abraham Lincoln and how he learned to use religion as a political tool and you start to understand how Mike pence starts to find his political niche the problem here was a discomfort with adultery and does that trouble anybody else give me a call of this at eight hundred six oh three Mike I mean it is adultery no longer a big deal in Indiana and in America hence finally wins that congressional seat in the year two thousand then in twenty thirteen he becomes the governor of Indiana lo bianco says it was not a good fit he didn't like being governor as a manager he was not good at it this is where he got himself the trouble in that in that time he was detached he spent too much time fundraising for his own long term presidential goals and not enough time being in the job and living the role of governor which is Y. lo bianco says the battle over a controversial religious liberty law in Indiana caught pants off guard the religious freedom restoration act led some national companies to boycott the state here's pants with A. B. C.'s George Stephanopoulos on March twenty ninth twenty fifteen yes or no if a florist in Indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding is that legal now in India George this is this is where this debate has gone with with misinformation and I was just a question Sir yes Sir well he really wants done by it all this is Jim Attar hold he was pence's chief of staff back then adults as after that law was amended pence met directly with members of the LGBT community again did meet and establish relationships with folks that just weren't regularly in our office and and maybe they should have been more regular in our office so we did a lot of talking about Mike pence never changed his mind about the core issues that are often used as a litmus test in conservative circles he still believes marriage should happen only between a man and a woman and that abortion is wrong he likes to sit on a conservative but I'm not angry about it he loves talking to people who disagree with them and listening and you'll never hear him say an unkind word you'll never hear and react in a way that's on time but that does stand in contrast to the style of the president of the United States within the service but again his purposes vice president is to be a partner and to provide godly counsel to be performed and to give him the best counsel cannon and to also be ready and god forbid something were to happen and he's he's a very loyal person and he understands that everyone's flawed and in different ways and is very forgiving of those flaws and vice presidential candidate Mike pence was even able to forgive this way and when you start a love to do it you can do anything but everyone grabbed by the do any of that this is what Jim Aderholt said about the access Hollywood tape he was he pleased about that of course not but at the same time he's a very loyal person and he wasn't going anywhere I mean that's that he'd made a pledge he made a promise and he was going to keep that promise it makes sense to you as someone who knew him well that he that he joined the tech it makes complete sense to me because then governor Mike pence and and and and currently vice president pence sees public services a call and then when that invitation came for him to be considered he he prayed about it and thought about talk a lot of people but really in his heart he said whatever happens happens there if that's how I'm to be used if that's how I can best help our country I'm willing to do that he sees it as a call and I'm.