I'm still trying to figure that out. So if you've got some good ideas. Steve just send me. Send me an email. But i haven't quite resolved that that particular issue yet. Yeah it's funny because recently We did interview with un authored that has always written Like historical pieces like yours. And then he had just mentioned to his first novel whereas writing fiction historical fiction and i asked him about it and he said it was really different going from one john to the next. Did you find that The same Obviously it was opposite view. You had written historical fiction. Now you're going into telling true story did you find that Tough as well. Yes yeah. I did it. It is a tremendous change. The first two books. The first book is called the man with a black box in the second. One is called charlie calling and they are historical fiction. But they're mystery thriller so the kind of Shortwave describing is because there are some some supernatural stuff. in it it's kind of like sherlock holmes chasing dracula or something and the thing about fix the historical fiction side. I really enjoy. Because i'm a history buff. I guess i guess. I'm an amateur historian and so there's a lot of research involved with that but when you write a novel you're just making it up you know it's it's Nobody can tell you what the characters are supposed to be like what they say or other than you know. You're unless they're a historical figure. Like i have teddy roosevelt in both books. And some of the you know Sir grey and lord lansdowne in some of the british guys but For me honestly steve. Writing fiction with i found was easier. It was a much more stream-of-consciousness when you're writing a novel and when you write nonfiction you gotta get it right. And so there's there's a ton of research that goes into it. I knew there was gonna be a lot helicopter pilots who flew in vietnam. They were reading this book. And the i had to make sure it was so accurate that they couldn't find fault with it. You know that they had to read it and say yeah. That's that's what happened. That's that's what she got now You know as i point out if you were to go to a a if you're a witness a car wreck today if you have ten witnesses you get ten different stories. So i'm trying to write about events that happened more than fifty years ago and At some point he just gonna have to do the best you can and and hope that she got the most accurate story you could but it it was. I found it to be a lot more work than i thought was going to be. It took me two years to write the book and that was pretty much. You know working on almost fulltime. Just stick to get to get accurate. I guess so it. Yeah it was very different. Yeah that was answered my next question. I was going to ask you how long the project took from start to finish because obviously events that are living in different parts of the country. I don't know if you actually went and visited with them. Just talked telephonically or actually met them in person. But i'm sure it was. There's a lot of money. Most of them were over the phone. i did i did. There is one bet in dallas. Might my chapter. Three vet chris gilbert. Who actually chris. You asked earlier about sort of the inspiration for the book. He's the guy that caused me to put the purple heart angle into mended wings. Because because chris was a purple heart bet. And i. And i knew him very well and i i highly respected him and so that was sort of my The inspiration to go that that way. I actually interviewed chris directly. And then chris later sorta became a technical adviser on the book for me Because i wanted to have at least one other vietnam vet other than the guy that i was writing the chapter on to to sort of vet each chapter and to see if we spotted anything. And you know chris is an interesting guys well when you read his story and the things that he did As i mentioned in the book a coast guard aircraft. That chris flu is now in the smithsonian and chris's helmet bag is in that is in that aircraft from emission. He flew very dramatic mission. That's detailed in the book as well That happened off the coast. Texas is very terrible american accident. So yeah you know it's funny. You mentioned that. Because i was just talking to somebody about the aaron space museum of the smithsonian. I was like well the next time i go up there. I'm definitely going to have to look for that as you said his helmet is. You have to kind of look forward. But it's in the seat you know kind of hidden from view. So that's something i'm definitely will look for But dumb yeah this this book it you know for listeners out there i can't recommend it enough. It was like i said it was a page. It delves into a very diverse group of helicopter pilots. They all come from different backgrounds. I guess they're all the one thing that other than the love of flying Linked him altogether was like they were kind of adrenalin junkies. They they liked action sports. Maybe not so much team sports individual sports in you know when you when you look at the story and then as you said some of the vets that reached out to you. I encourage all of our listeners again. Check out this book mended wings because it tells some horrific stories what these guys went through and it was is very moving. And it's like i said when i got to Chapter ten. I was very disappointed in the book because it wasn't a chapter eleven so We can't recommend yet and they're they're all. Thank you steve. And any other. They're all they're all. They all suffered different injuries. In as you noted some of these guys were hurt. Very badly And some of them not so much you know. Some of them may be they were they were convalescing for a few weeks and they're back in the cockpit but that's that's only part of their of the trauma they suffered in in. It's it's almost like it's kind of weird but it's it's almost like the the end burst of the physical trauma suffered is the emotional trauma that you suffered And i think there was that psychology there for a lot of these guys that they just. It's very difficult for four. And i've not been in combat so i can't again although within the army i've never been in combat so i have not experiences firsthand but my observation is that For the guys that came back unscathed or or with minor injuries. It's very difficult for them to get their head around the fact that they're they're buddies. Were the ones that suffered the worst and they can't. It's hard for them to accept. That's that's really really hard And so i. I found that interesting as well when i was when i was going through this war. And maybe that's where know that. The vietnam wall is is to some extent very helpful to this generation and i. I mentioned that a few times in the book but and also i had the opportunity to to to jan scruggs. Who's the founder of the vietnam war memorial About the book as well. And i thank him for for having had the courage and the foresight to really push that project through because i think most vietnam vets For them the ability to go and and to see those names and the touch the wall and kind of Released some of those feelings is helpful but And i'm hoping that books like this like minted wings is also helpful in that regards. Well well we really appreciate your time this afternoon. We appreciate the the bulk obviously and again mended wings all of our listeners. Out there in our readers for software dot.