DRAWN TO IT PODCAST - EPISODE 017: International best selling Author Susan James Pierce! - burst 2

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A an honestly one wanted to first one for my book. My ticket asked the editing status. Because I know she's honesty and that's really great because you know she doesn't have it out for you. So the feedback will be honest constructive and the product right right absolutely so yes. They were one of the first ones to read that manuscript and then I gave it to a couple of friends for them to look over that were readers and Yeah it was the first manuscript I still had a long way to go with learning boys and dialogue tag and all those structural things that you need a manuscript took the advice of other authors. Read as much as you write an be helpful And just do research on the mechanic all the important things And I did a couple of rewrites on it because it needed it was my first. I want and it ended up being for books series re three full length novels and a Novella Self published it first occasion Athena Jetson option and I. It didn't touch. The hands of a published are until four years ago. I started at mid twenties Yeah so 'til for ago so your journey through self publishing. Did you utilize things like amazons pipeline or would you just went to a local printer and physical books and her Gigolo both that I went to Amazon route at the time they had avenue is the skunk create space nuts into your paperbacks through so you would have the the book version they call Katie Kindle Direct publishing that do my book on her create space paperback and then you can also publish their smash words which they act as a distributor and they published through like Apple Barnes and noble? So the we we call that in publishing terms we call that wide. If you're just on Amazon Yuccas. Sometimes you'll notice that books are on Amazon. Some certain books aren't Masan and some are available everywhere. We call that wide if it's available everywhere though. If you want to do that you can do it through Mash words were. There's a site called drafted digital and they'd be the same thing. They distribute about copies to other online retailers. So that's how I did it. That's how I did it in the big sounds like it would take up a Lotta time to make a right next then. Is You know you read the book of? That's great but then it's like okay. We'll what now because there's so many of us like matting cover art your blurb Like what's on the docket and to get or read it. There's all those pieces that you have to have kneel down the journey and now you're you're published through publishing company Which which way do you think people starting out should do self publishing to start with as a way to gain traction? Or what would your advice be? It depends on what your goals are. If you and how quickly you want to publish because when you finish it I know are interested in other. And when you look at the timeline sometimes of submitting publishers. Getting an agent and having them submit the publishers. We're talking a couple of years and if someone doesn't want to wait that long and then it's even not even a guarantee sustain agent walk and submit it to a publisher or pitches it to a publisher you know that that process can take on publisher may not even by L. so before you even get into a publisher you've gotta get representation in agent and I. Yeah depends. I feel like it's becoming like it's probably always been the norm but it's on my radar more as as an animator. Of course I've got my own ideas and that type of thing and it's been my experience that getting an agent can be a very challenging task. It is and I'm actually going through the process now. Trying to get an agent Oh it when you so like I was saying if you it depends on your time if you want to have it published now you can self publish which up guy or you can some small some small traditional publishers which is foundation or the one published. My Work Right now. I don't have to have an agent for day. They accept Admissions directly from authors. You don't have to have an agent but then the big the big trade pubs. I think they caught the big five but like pain. One random house was bigger publishers. Date a lot. On their editors they do not accept it gets called non agent. -Ted that mission. They don't accept. I think you have to get an agent. Those how's your journey going to get representation F f another learning experience? You know this whole thing a journey and you could be doing this twenty thirty years and still not have it all pinned down you know it's But it it's it's been a learning experience because they require things that you normally don't have to think about when you're self publishing were you're publishing with small tried Like Synopsis You have to write on to two page. Doxa than they required to be in a certain format And query letter is another journey. And just when you think that you've got it all down and you submit to a couple of agent and they give you a call letter rejected rejection's it's not a personal. Some traction is like unfortunately we're gonNA pack kind of thing Then you gotta take a second look at it will maybe not where I thought it was. And then you have to hire help to look at your query letter and you're not service and all these things so it's Bernie. It's been a journey but it I've got a lot of far what it's a thing you're driven to do. And so Selwyn. The obstacles come up see. That's the difference between the Hobbyist and the passion driven when obstacle comes up. Hobbyists gives up. That's you know ended the road People who are in it to win it or just it's part of your DNA. You have to do it. You're drawn to it Such as the name of my podcast here it it is. Just it's a driving force. It can be the last thing you think about when you go to bed at night and I sing when you wake up and I. Yeah so when you have moments where like you're describing the struggle to get representation. You're somebody who has had a publishing success and it's still hard you know and I think I find a lot of people I do. Also all the time in somebody who's say civilian you know out there We'll look at all the you know. That would make a really good show. You should make that into a show. Oh Yeah it's just that easy you know right so I think it's it's comforting for people who are just starting out to hear that people who have been in it for awhile are still coming up on obstacles and it's not smooth sailing for for them as well you know. I I always found that reassuring when I was starting to. Yeah absolutely. It's it's like you said the ones that are driven are the ones that are gonna make it because you really have to have a passion where it you've cut be. You've got to be able to overcome the constant rejection. Oh Yeah and you. If you don't have a thick skin develop exclusive. Yeah and you probably won't have one when you when you're starting out because most of us are raised in an environment where every little thing we create we. That's fantastic or you know from teachers. Serve mentors parents guardians. Whatever and so we kind of have this A false sense of greatness when we will decide to embark on our first baby steps down a career journey of whatever. The art form is and then all of a sudden. You're until how it's not good enough or you know. And then you're on attempt fifty and you're still not good enough and but you WANNA do it. D give up to keep going. It's it can be maddening. I can be an and I'll honestly say there's never been a point. Where for me personally? Where I've just thought why just won't do this anymore or I'll just give a I'm okay. Well how do I make this better? Then how do I make this? How do I am making a want to read the rest of this young l? Let's just never been an option for me and I you know and I have so many other stories I wanNA write to though. It's not like I'll finish a book and be like okay. We'll now got to come up with something else. I already have five to ten other story ideas in my queue and my mental that authority to be written so One after the other. Your process are you. Are you a typer? Are you a dictation writer? What what's your process to get something into that finished manuscript so I already kind of know before before I even sit down to type out. An outline are already know. Roughly with the middle the or the beginning middle and end are going to be Already sort of know my characters And I'll do out line. I never do a strict outlined because it will always be at least a little bit if not completely from point for what you But also down and do a rough outline And then once I kind of get a sense of how I want the story to start which is extremely important. I've learned over the years that how you start. A book is probably one of the most important aspects once. I've decided how it's going to start That I just I go for it. I just dive in and and write chapter at a time. I read where some authors kind of skip around and right the end where they write the beginning the middle and everybody does it a different way but on great linear. I have to start at the beginning and then go away the dead yeah my approach to storyboarding script is very similar. I prefer to do linear than hop around. But like you said everybody's got their different approach How many months leading up to use sitting down to write the outline. Are You thinking about each character? Their mannerisms their their backstory. All that or do you tend to evolve that once you get into the nitty gritty of type. Note the story a little bit of both. So if I'm writing a book I'm very much so focused on book that I'm writing at this time but the next one that I've got lined up for right. I'm already in my downtime. I'm already thinking about them a little bit as well so by the time I get to them. They're flushed out. But you know sometimes when I start a book. I'm like I'm thinking. Oh I need to add another layer to this character because they're not quite interesting enough on have to writing. Sometimes I'll add layers here and there were aspects of a character's personality. Yeah it's it's a little bit of both yeah. Ideas evolve and change and stuff. I always get a kick out of hearing about things that we come to. We come to know As big pop culture iconic kit. So let's say music for instance Will hear of a certain part of the chorus lyrics are whatever they might be only to find out when you're watching like behind the scenes. Mtv music whatever that the original ear spur something now set really made no sense at all you know and or the song was titled Differently Up until the last minute type thing and it's it's true when you're sitting down creating the the ideas they they bump against each other and they change shape with each other and and hopefully for the better but how do you avoid killing a story by overworking it That's a great question I I. I don't know that I've ever worried about that. I just kind of let the story be what it is. And if the reviewer whoever doesn't like it then you know just wasn't their cup of tea now you know what's really helpful. What is really helpful though is a once? I'm done with a story I'll give it to critique partner and my we call them Beta readers so that's like remind mom and other Eightfold readers of mine. I'll hand my story with my work and my process and And my stories and and so they'll give me feedback. That's not to say. I'm not open to feedback unwilling to change aspect of my story Especially if you like this. Part of the story drags year. Or maybe this is a little over the top or were you into the wine here when you wrote your say So I'm open to feedback criticism but if it if the story if it's some people it's not they're not really worried about right because our objective. But you've never you've never worked A manuscript or a word. Follow something to a point where it's just a mangled massive words. If you like you have to start over. I see what you mean. No no and that's probably where the outline confident now now. Sometimes I've made right myself in a coroner now Mike how they're going to get out of this then I have to change them saying there's no coming back from that..

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