Listen: Impeachment report accuses Trump of compromising national security
"And we're back with the Breaking News Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee putting out there impeachment report this afternoon. Noonday accused president trump of undermining national security in his quote Ukraine scheme and engaging in a quote unprecedented campaign of obstruction of this impeachment inquiry. Tomorrow the House Judiciary Committee is anticipated to hold. Its first public hearing with four legal experts under oath joining me now to talk about this as one of the members of the judiciary this year committee. Who will be in that hearing tomorrow? Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner Wisconsin who also helped lead the Clinton impeachment in the House Congressman Sensenbrenner. Thanks so much for for joining us. I want to begin with this new report. It says this quote. The president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States sought to undermine the integrity of the the US presidential election process and endangered US national security unquote. Now I know you do not think that president trump asking presidents Alinsky to investigate the Biden's was out of bounds. Is there anything in the report. Change your mind well. I got the report. Our goal is over three hundred pages long and I do speed read but not quite that fast you know. Let me say that I don't think the president has committed an impeachable offense. No no president should be above the law but they shouldn't be below the law either and what trump said. The president's Alinsky was. Can you do me a favor. Now if that is an impeachable offense than what about then Vice President Biden saying I'm hold up a billion dollars of aid unless you fired the prosecutor in six hours and bragging about The problem I think is that this is a moving target and there are a lot of people including a lot of my colleagues who have hated trump from the beginning. You do not impeach a president because of policy differences princes or because you hate him and didn't vote for him and we're sorry that he would there has to be something more serious than that and telling the president of Ukraine. Will you do me. A favor is not serious. Thing that the framers thought it should be the Biden thing. I don't want to get off on a path here. But the Biden thing I was obviously something thing that even Republicans the International Monetary Bank others were calling for the International Monetary Fund or others. Were calling for that prosecutor to be fired. That Eh may very well be so g but not the way that Biden framed it when he came back here and bragged about it. So at least we didn't stop the country for for a couple of years Having an impeachment inquiry on him the Intelligence Committee is vital to our national security so they spent the last three months launch not doing the oversight of intelligence that we need but going on and impeachment which still congressman as simple as that. So you talked about how you don't think that that phone call. Paul demonstrates anything wrong because the president phrase it has do me a favor. Democrats in the report argued that the call between trump ends Alinsky was just a quote dramatic crescendo with a month long campaign driven by President Trump. That for months there had been this effort involving president trump and multiple senior officials officials in an involved. Also president trump withholding a visit to the Oval Office for Presidents Alinsky. And of course that three hundred ninety one million dollars of security that was ultimately released after the whistle blower came through. Well neither trump nervous alinsky said that there was a quid. Pro Quo involve number one Zilenski Alinsky wasn't even aware at the time that The it was being held out and September eleventh which was about six six weeks after the call. The aid was released and Ukraine out the money after the whistle blower came forward. Well after the whistle blower came forward but we also oughta realize that Ukraine is probably the most corrupt country in Europe and one in the world and I think we all ought to be assured assured that when we do release foreign aid to any other country that money is being used for the purpose for which it was sent and not ending up in somebody's pocket rocket or Swiss bank account. So I guess one of the other points that the Democrats are trying to make here is that this is setting a precedent and that if republicans allow this to be deemed acceptable than in the future a President Elizabeth Warren could press China to investigate. Jared Kushner Kushner family when they promoted investor visas in that country or president. Buddha judge could ask Azerbaijan to look into the trump tower deal there. They're all sorts of allegations of corruption. That would be okay with you for a Democratic president to ask a foreign country to do them a favor and look into political rivalry. Well we have mutual legal Assistance treaties with most countries. So if there is a violation of US law where there's evidence in a foreign country. The M lad ends up requiring the foreign foreign country to cooperate with us but this goes much deeper than that goes back to the way the framers set up our government and that was is that the executives should not it be dependent upon having majority in the parliament or in the congress in our case develop separation of powers and Adam Schiff and his crowd completely thrown separation of powers in the waste basket. So if we ever in the future have a president of one party in a majority the House and another party the Congress is going to repeat this mistake not do the people's business in be involved in a two or a four year along which on the tried to boot the president who is elected by the American people out of office. So that's what we're seeing here. I WANNA play for our viewers. Your opening statement statement before the House Judiciary Committee in Nineteen Ninety eight hundred. You are talking about President. Clinton he has not owned up to the false testimony the stonewalling stonewalling the obstructing has used legal hair-splitting and redefinition of words. To perpetuate those lies. The president lied obstructed structed and abused power. I think a lot of people will see that clip and think. Yeah you get offended when Democrats abused power but you don't get offended when Republicans have used power. There is a big difference. Kenneth Starr who is an independent investigator. Which Adam Schiff is not you know ended up doing doing a lengthy investigation sent us? Thirty six boxes worth of evidence and said that Clinton lied both in a civil deposition and in grand injury testimony under oath. That's the big difference. Whatever trump did or didn't do on that phone call was not under old it was not not in a judicial proceeding where the courts have to have the truth in order"