Hall Of Fame, Baseball, Clemens discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast


There have been other life lessons to that effect. This has been a weird little intro for me, isn't it? We're leaving it all in. I don't know, guys. We're toward the end of the year. Very tired. I didn't expect to be tired admitted to summer. I don't know, anyway. So those ones rankle for me because, you know, especially with guys who are trying to sustain momentum or pick up momentum or really close and deserving and you know it has a negative impact on them when that stuff happens. So I don't know. I struggle with whether we take the whole thing too seriously or not seriously enough and depending on the day my answer can change because there are moments where I'm like, but you know like a person is waiting to find out if this great honor that they care about is going to be bestowed on them. You just send out a blank ballot, man like talking to that. And then there are other days where I'm like, we just need to unplug this discourse and plug it back in because it's so so serious it's going to collapse under its own weight. You know, here's an episode that's entirely about the Hall of Fame. Yes. And I don't want to be too self serious. You're right. No. But it's not an easy decision, but it's ultimately not like the highest stakes of anything in the world either. It's just high stakes when it comes to baseball, I guess. Yeah. And as I've said in the past, it matters. It matters a great deal to these players and to their families and to the fans who rooted for them. And so I think, you know, having some reverence for that is appropriate, even if we can kind of properly place it within the broad spectrum of things that we need to worry about in the world. This does matter to people, and so we should make sure to try to do right by it. So, yeah. And I would never send in a blank ballot. Either send in one with some names checked or not sent in one. Yeah. As I decide which of those things to do, I'm planning to make a little pilgrimage to cooperstown at some point before the end of the year when these ballots are due, because I haven't actually been there since I was a kid, and I don't really remember it all that well and it's changed a lot in the intervening years, of course. And I'm hoping that if I just stroll through the rooms and look at the plaques that maybe that will bring me some clarity. And I live in New York State, so I don't have to cross the country or anything to get there and I won't be too far away from it. Maybe in that week between Christmas and New Year's Day we'll go and take a little tour and see how I feel. And we can probably leave the ballot reactions alone for a little while. We will link to where you can find those things. They are very well chronicled and of course you can find Jeff's continuing coverage at fan graphs where I was amused that he just lumped in but Clemens showing and so into one giant post that would stay. It's like, just get this out of the way in just one go. Let's not string this out here if you want to read about these guys. Here they are. Yes, just the lump payment. So that's there if you want it. Yeah, Jay's thoughts on that little group are well documented and have been for over a decade. And some of it, I mean, is some of it sparing us having to run individual posts for some of the more noxious members of this class. I mean, like, sure, but also the real constraining factor was that because there were two era committees that met this year. There really was an actual crunch in terms of time because it is important to J to profile everyone on the ballot before ballots are due because I think that he does offer a perspective that voters find useful and he takes that responsibility seriously. So that was the 95% of it. And then 5% was that we have sure talked about that group enough. I mean, some members of it more than others to be clear. I don't think that everyone is quite as noxious as the rest, but all right. Well, let's get to our guess and we won't even take a break, let's just roll right into our first segment. We are joined now by two of the three people behind a new committee called 42 for 21, which is bringing attention to deserving Negro leagues and black baseball candidates for upcoming Hall of Fame at elections and trying to ensure that we won't have to wait too long for those elections to occur. One of our guests is Sean Gibson, the executive director of the Josh Gibson foundation, whom we had on last year to talk about his campaign to get the MVP award renamed after his great grandfather, Josh, Sean, welcome back. Thank you for having me, man. I'm glad to be back. And our second guest is longtime Negro leagues researcher and writer historian Ted nor the founder of sabers, Jerry maloy Negro league conference hello Ted. Good evening there, Megan and Ben. And we were supposed to be joined by Gary Gillette, who is also involved in the committee, but he had a power outage not long before this episode. So we will talk to Sean and Ted and guys if you could give us some info on how the committee came to be and what it stated aims are. We will link to some information and press releases that you've put out. But I don't know who wants to take this exactly. I think I'll take that. I'll go first and then Sean can jump in. We were inspired by Sean's yearlong effort to get the major league most valuable player aboard named renamed after his great grandfather and the experience that Sean brings for the past year is he's a very valuable of the three of us he's been beaten the bushes for a year. I bring a modicum of experience in Negro league history, and Gary is our Jack of all trades. He's, you know, an overall baseball expert and he's our political person, so I don't know how much help I'm gonna be..

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