Dr. Andrew Newberg

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Everybody podcast. You know we appreciate your support of those people who support us and we keep this thing going. Keep Mr Perla happy and don't forget all the goings on DOT COM dot com. We've got a stream their broadcast very regularly a call in show on Sunday, and then the after dark. Out of course most days, our guest is Andrew Newberg. Latest book is the rabbis, brain mystics, moderns, and the science of Jewish thinking. It's available now. Neuro, theology is what we're talking about you can follow Dr Newburg at at Andrew Newberg and HE WBRC DOT com. Twitter at Andrew, Newberg and Dutch newer. You came highly recommended by Dr Dan Een. WHO said you must speak with him, so we all well. He's a terrific guy and I. would have told you the same thing in reverse. Yards a three way again, so so talk first. Let's start with the book. What what what did you learn writing? This could prompted you write the book and what is in there? Well you know I've been studying the relationship between spirituality in the brain for many many years and and that has kind of developed into this field of neuro. Theology you know what? How we look at and understand the relationship link between the human rain in our religious and spiritual cells. Part of why I got into the discussion. Autism was that I'm sorry it's all good. We Love Dogs against. During the quarantine everyone does it guy I know I know? so part and part of the reason why I got into hopping rabbis, brain is the idea that. We can really start to think about neuro theology from the perspective of different traditions, and of course my own background is Judaism. I was raised in a reform Jewish household up armistead, and so it just seemed like a very natural kind of approach to be able to start with that but ultimately neuro theology is something that is really for every type of tradition, and so hopefully this is really just the start of it's the ability for us to look at a Christianity, and it's denominations. Islam. Hinduism Buddhism all the traditions from this perspective to see what we can learn what we can understand in terms of how the brain health us to be relig- religious and spiritual. And, so you know this this whole idea of neurobiology anthropology spirituality stuff. That's how I found Jordan. Peterson I'm interested in people that combined anthropologists psychology. Then ask the question. Why do our brains do that right? And then is there some transcendent meaning? That's a whole other question, but wire. Why did the human trains do that and? It gives me A. Absolute intense fascination. So how'd you? What's your posture as somebody that evaluates these things from the neuroscience recovering from multiple different perspectives. Where where are you evaluating this? Well, certainly you know I. Do feel like Neuro Theology as a as a field based on the work that I'm trying to do is is something that is very multidimensional, and and really does kind of come at things from a variety of different perspectives I suppose. Because my background is neuro imaging I'm there certainly that? But as you mentioned just a moment ago? You know part of what excites me. in in terms of all of the information that we can get at from this perspective is that it ranges from the very practical to the very esoteric so on a very practical level. We can ask questions about well, if somebody. Is Religious Is that protective to protect them from depression. Does IT PROTECT THEM FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE? Obviously a big area that I know you've been involved in for many years. And, there's a lot of evidence to support added. Certainly you know programs like alcoholics, anonymous which really invokes a spiritual concept. has also been very effective for helping people with alcoholism, so they're very tactical piece, yeah! Stay. With us for a second. Is there something about spirituality that changes the brain in such a way that you can look at the imaging and say oh? That's why they're regulating better. That's why the oncologist so. What changed in their brain. That might help them. There substances well there. There are a variety of changes that occur. does depend a little bit on what practices in what the person is doing so for example you know when we study a practice like prayer, we find that perhaps that happens to increase the activity in their frontal lobe. We've actually done some studies that have looked at certain transmitters in a found a spiritual retreat program in intensive retreat. Officers the amount of dopamine in their brain, and these are the lives up to regulate our emotional responses. So when you're talking about you know having an addiction being anxious having. If your frontal lobes are working better because you are engaged in spiritual practice or bears religious spiritual beliefs. Then that's going to help you psychologically and similarly. If, you're really immersed in this then it changes your tone in levels, the dopamine levels in the brain much like the drugs that people would take an antidepressant or a drug that might help them to calm down, and so we really see this kind of an impact of these practices on a lot of different levels, and it also changes the other important set of structures of the LIMBIC system. The emotional centers of the brain and these practices helped to calm those down so that people aren't quite as reactive and you know when when you think about what religions do I mean? mean part of the thing is. There are a lot of ingredients right I mean they're. They're the practices. We were just talking about, but there's the believes the comfort that they get. There's the social support they get so there's a lot of different elements that are very contributory to helping people when they're engaged. They're religious or spiritual south I'M GONNA. Keep drilling on the alcohol for a second, because they will often talk about these moments of change where they feel like something has stepped in from the outside and they're. They're different. Sectors of Swish changed, and I will tell you. Look very carefully. At these folks they usually are preceded by some sort of experience of novelty in a relationship like the as though they are seeing them, so they can see themselves with a new pair of glasses and that moment causes. What they want to call

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