Democrats, Rudy Giuliani, Kentucky discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
This is Josh Barrow. And Welcome to left right and center you're civilized yet provocative antidote to the self-contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. Eight it is the first week of November and this week the New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message here or is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see. Donald trump trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what he needs to do in this primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think about poll so far in advance of election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman of Demos we also have a special guest today Arial Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello Everyone Hajaj. Hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday in a few states. We can talk about twenty nine hundred elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship chip in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state and any Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding were other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the ancestral democratic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise otherwise swung hard toward Republicans any made inroads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil what lessons do you see in these results. as Democrats look the next year so a couple of things jump out I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the trifecta acted that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come out of that state. And when you compare Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states it's also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing you know there's a grain of salt rate it's twenty two thousand nineteen. It's off your election It's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor twenty eighteen but it is a strong result for the the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the attorney general the and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme outrage age. The median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes so this is marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for longtime has to do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now between between the suburbs and More rural working class voters. It's something has been going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. Will I guess stress. This in a little bit is whether he can do what he did. In Two thousand sixteen draw a A broadly a radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in suburbs to just barely get over the top again. Rl is the national story. That simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs. Democrats keep doing worse in rural areas. And if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is is in large part what we are seeing across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in in a particular race in a particular level. I mean you saw that in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes. But you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and you know we'll see whether that ends up evening out in his favor of that is rich. The governors are real notes. There were or some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch McConnell and a primary a few years ago so so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were a regularities. You WanNA canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first first of all. What are you like? He lost what do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also I mean what do you make of the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot in the scheme of things. But in the recount. Are- canvas sincere. A scenario is huge and the chances of overturning that are extremely leave. Minimal is basically impossible so I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it in Georgia as well. You lost please be gracious about. It's very tough thing personally. Hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you were truly? The winner. Went clearly weren't bill. I A- As I I hear Democrats worrying about you. Know what's is trump gonNA admit he lost if he loses the two thousand twenty election. And this you know I. I've not been very worried about that. For reasons. That are playing out on the ground and Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know the partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand awesome votes is a lot if it was five hundred votes might be a different situation. But also it's it's parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with them. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right taking the Model of of Kentucky. Look here's the here's the challenge in some ways right that the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the Party thinks X-ray the party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away and our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so so I think I think in that sense you are right? What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios areas where there is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party fall in line with the president? That's where I I would put put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people. We can put forward in an electoral contest and we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a good time for us to talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine Basser Gordon. SUNLAND has changed changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investing the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to. After all trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Johnny maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. You had all these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo. Oh idea came from and the president is innocent and I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent this week. That looks really like defensive. The president but I'm not sure it is he says the investigation is conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw rudy. Giuliani under the bus. And say you know whatever. These people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. Oh I did this in my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple of things. One is a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most of the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is you know. More Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine rain. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up the idea on on their own and how. How did the defense aid get withheld? Gordon Silent I two and trump mentioned on the call talk to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on the soap? A month ago was still pretty early. I had a theory that in my defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian says clear at least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic Josh but I think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations. Well so so bill. This is the. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But in the simpsons. That's a joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say well. You know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no harm. No no foul. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin fabric skews. It won't get you very far in in the real world and we'll get you very far year are it's it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what these Excuse the freelancing excuse this each week there's a new sort of angle right and they kinda keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter witter from their own mouths so it is kind of absurd so I I know you hate this question rich but I I so this still isn't impeachable and I ask again I I wanted to because because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is what exactly was rudy's role when the president says talked to Rudy and and you had said I think accurately you know sometimes have presidents agents have unofficial envoys..