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Pluses autopsy states each time you know there had been dissections performed on it two different times by the time the third topsy happened <hes> so there's substantial autopsy artifact. There's decomposition artifact. You know there's embalming tom artifact. There are all these factors that could alter potentially the way that things look and then even it. You know someone doing their the best job at an autopsy. There can still be very ability in the opinion that people draw from those findings to review view the complicated history of jane's autopsies. Let's go back to nineteen eighty nine two days after jane died. Dr fahmi mallet conducted an autopsy upset. He said that the cause of death was a hyperextension neck injury from falling off the porch. The manner of death was undetermined <music>. Dr malik was a controversial figure in arkansas in nineteen ninety-one. He quit amid allegations that he bought several autopsies. In one thousand nine hundred to two out of state pathologist's review dr malik swore they didn't perform their own autopsy but they did have access to the report the photos and the xrays the ones where the side view had a white blob that blocked most detainees neck these are also the xrays that the ward said were different from the ones. They saw the crime lab at the crime lab. They insisted that they saw x. Rays where it was clear that janey had a broken neck but the pathologists is a nineteen ninety-two said they were not convinced the janey had a spinal injury they also said the x rays looked like those of a male skull they changed johnny's death certificate. Leaving both the cause of death and the manner of death is undetermined then dr bonello conducted his autopsy autopsy in two thousand and four fifteen years after janey died. He also concluded that janey died from a neck injury and had blunt force trauma onto the face. He said the manner of death was homicide. Dr cox was a medical examiner. The crime lab at that time and he wrote a scathing in review of dr bonilla's findings mostly citing the lack of evidence and documentation for dr bananas conclusions. Dr pluses autopsy was in two thousand and seven eighteen years after janey died and after two other autopsies he left the death certificate as undetermined in both cause and manner europe death and said he's on no evidence of a spinal injury. We discussed dr cokes review of dr bonello topsy episode five. We asked dr dr grace dukes her impressions of that autopsy normally an autopsy would include the external exam documentation of identifying marks injuries. You know any sort of distinctive feature than <hes> you know there'd be an internal examination or examinee organs obviously in an embalmed decomposing composing body with a bag of organs in the abdomen. You know that's going to be limited and then you know putting in sections for microscopic exam which would also be relatively limited imitated because the tissues will be decomposing <hes> and then potentially photographs and x rays et cetera so many of those tasks wchs were performed. I think he is a bit more brief in how he documents them. It is a significantly more brief brief report than say dr pluses report <hes> which is very thorough but the conclusion that the second autopsy i came to that this was a homicide. You know if you're going to change of manner of death to especially to homicide where people can be prosecuted <hes>. I think it's important to do. All of the documentation of those injuries that you say were the lethal injuries causing the death in homicide. I think some of that isn't isn't present in wasn't subject to examination later you know a doctor plus couldn't go back and look the photographs and look at the detail in the report necessarily income to that same conclusion and other pathologists couldn't either much dr pluses autopsy and dr brunell to an extent or dedicated to autopsy artifact that is observations about the changes on the body due to previous autopsies not the original original injury and so much of the debate over jamie's cause and manner of death has come from observations of her face ron word said said he saw bruising and even dr plus admitted that according to ron ward pictures it did look like janey had discoloration to her face but there is post mortem liquidity so liquidity is the natural settling of the blood within the blood vessels after a person dies so everything just sort of if you know flows down to the dependent portions dependent to gravity and so the blood is within those vessels and then over a matter of hours the blood can license out of those vessels in it'll become a what we call fixed where you know when it's just in the vessels you can push on it and you can make a white spot on the skin once was it becomes fixed on you can push on it and it'll it'll stay fix their <hes> said that happens over a matter of hours dr duke said it can be hard to to tell between injuries and liberty because if a body isn't embalmed in a timely manner after death both of these things can cause what looks like hemorrhaging under the skin but in his autopsy doctor plus said there was no hemorrhaging underneath the surface of the face so it seems that any discoloration on johnny's face happened after death dr plus other huge finding was dr malik had removed part of the spinal cord which dr plus said was an unusual autopsy topsy practice and he concluded that there was in fact no spinal injury dr duke said that conclusion seems definitive because the use of the c._a._t. Scanner so the c._a._t. Scan is performed at some medical examiner's office <hes> but few <hes> it's helpful because you get an image of the skeleton without having to cut it or scrape tissue off you know if you went into a hospital and they were imaging and they could see your skeleton and if there was fracture if there is abnormality <hes> and so to have the c._a._t. Scan of the whole body you know and show having a radiologist just examine it and show that there was not trauma there there were not fractures is very very helpful. Whereas in you know in the first autopsy e was <hes> the pathologist was looking at all of these feeling them and you know i don't know how much of the tissue scraped off or what he removed or what he cut but you know he came to the conclusion that there fractures there and then the c._a._t. Scan was able to definitively. Should that wasn't true. We also asked dr dukes about a couple couple of other theories including the one that janey drowned so there's a in one of the early reviews of the autopsy there's mention of or in the investigative eight of reporting there's mention of her clothing being wet and they're saying under her undergarments and so i think that's a reasonable proposal all but ultimately drowning is a diagnosis of exclusion so it relies heavily on investigative findings and and as far as i could tell from what what i looked at investigative findings interviews don't support that the the choking you you know to have a a food bolus stuck in your throat and you're trying to inhale passed it or brief passed it in your straining and you're you're increasing the pressure in in your lungs in the blood vessels of your lungs and your airways so you can get those little petillo hemorrhages in a situation like that but you you know that that can happen. It's it's reasonable <hes> again you know nothing about the investigation suggests that she was choking. <hes> there was no food bullets noted in her airway. The first autopsy i mean if it were lodged in their in e._m._s. didn't suction it out which is a thing that it happens to <hes> as they're trying to clear the airway. I don't know how much she was. I don't know how much resuscitation was done on her. When cathy who worked at the ambulance service talked with investigators in two thousand seven. She said she didn't see anything visibly wrong with johnny's spine and she also said she didn't see any blockage in the windpipe which could have indicated the janey chote which leaves just one more question for dr dukes could cheney of had a heart problem yet. I think i think that has to be considered a possibility because there are basically negative findings on her there. There's the finding being of the lyrics and i don't you know this many years later. I don't know if there's something else they could cause that or not. But they're the petite guy and then there's the the the history of the wet clothing in the sand <hes> in so there are other possibilities. There's not definite proof of any of those scenarios but in in terms of cardiac arrhythmia anytime you have a death especially in a young healthy person with no findings <hes> you have to consider the possibility to some natural disease process where she suddenly collapsed like the ward's lawyer jerry sellings said about the investigative the gate of evidence. There's really nothing more that can be done in the forensic field and that's because of a series of errors the built up over time it started with dr mallett who removed part of the spinal cord with no explanation. Jamie's fingernails never swabbed the x rays. Were either poorly poorly taken or lost also. Dr malik mislabeled his cause of death. He said it was a hyperextension injury but based on his theory of how she died.