Ketamine, United States, Worldcom discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
Probably would. Yeah. That would have been a lotta we were riveted here in the United States day by day. With this incredible story and people thought they're not gonna make it. They're gonna make. A couple of scenarios that people were coming up with to try to rescue them. You know, whether you would create some kind of tube-like system and kind of like slide them in under the water all the way through and stuff. But I mean was the cave was kind of wind e in we and it was pitch black in the water. Wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. It was picked back obviously inside the cave. The the water was stood up with sediment. So for the divers they had virtually zero visibility on a good day. If no one had been three before then they might have had a few inches to see. So it was all done by the diving was done by hand. They felt they way along the the guideline, but you're right all of the options that they could be sold up. We'll put on the table, and frankly, all of them were bad, they contemplated as you say something of inflatable shoop that was one of the Musk's suggestions. They did actually trial that in canal nearby. But as soon as they'd spoken with some of the navy seals about just how shopping jagged rocks are within the long cave. They realized that would never work. They went to the rescue is went to great efforts to try to drill an access hole using industrial machinery that could go several hundred meters through rock, they actually had just started that process when Android a few meters into the Weinstein when the boys were found, and they pulled it off. But that was only going to drill a hole about five inches in diameter. So it was never going to get the boys out that was still could get some oxygen and water. It could be a lifeline to them. And of course, one of the other options the fight most favorable option from much of the rescue period was to simply wife and just plants survive in there until the monsoon was over in the cave. They tried to pump out the water right pumping was going on the whole time humping started early and did not stop huge resources will put into that. And and that certainly made a difference foam the entrance of the cave to what was not became known as a as a can't three which is where I sort of afford operating base was set up for the rescuers. And the divers the on that it probably didn't make much difference. According to many of the hydrologist, and any sorts that actually went in there. But it was it was a it was a good effort. It was withdrawing absolutely. I would assume the water kept coming in the more. They pumped out the more just kept coming in. At some point. They got it under control. And it became a matter of you know, would rent a bit of an inch? But it would go down pretty often. They didn't control it without pumping. It could have been a disaster. So that was probably well worth it. Certainly now whose idea was to say we're going to put some oxygen masks on these kids, and we're going to get them out. Well, amongst the dolphins you had to cave diving experience several of them always thought that was the only way it was. It was going to happen. And the reason for that is a long difficult dives zero visibility. It's something that a recreational scuba dive at would struggle with. It'd be a heck of an effort to pull it off. If you had a few days under your belt, these young boys who could swim a bit, but not really strongly and had never been scuba diving before it was just unthinkable that they could have a regulator in their mouth. They'd have a mosque over. There is I could stay calm food service. And they have never done that before on they weren't scuba divers. No, no, no experience like that. And and and frankly, I I think I would have been able to stay calm at an adult Bank through that sort of terrifying situation, not knowing where you can't see which way's up because anything is. That's the one thing about the scuba diving is a certified scuba diver in pitch black water. You don't know if you're going up or down, correct? That's right. And so and that factored into some of the planning that they did they get the boys out. So the first thing as you mentioned was these food by small, and they the typical scuba two to Moscow and a regulator mouthpiece. So you have this is a single piece of plastic that goes over yours makes us feel around the whole face and the full head down the side of the face around the jewel on and the silicon seals around there. Keep the water out and keeps them pressure in the cylinder that is considered an easier option for notices, and certainly for these boys who are going to be sedated and terms of what you were saying about nine which is up or down. The other thing that I did was to put the oxygen cylinder. That would be connected to the boys. They will put that in front of him strap it to he's not he's back as you might imagine. And then in addition, they put a lid on the five is that the idea was something went wrong, and somehow the the rescue diver ends the boy became a separate separated. Was down to the bottom of the cave. Hopefully, still face down, hopefully, still breathing and remained that weighted down by that tank that lived wife until he's rescued. I bet good feelings lay around in the darkness and. The kid would panic by that time would have no idea. Well, now that that's what we're going to get into. But one quick question. Liam how long did it? Take to get from the entrance to the cave toward the boys were underwater with the diver. How long did it take the diver to make that trip took them walking diving whiting took about six hours to get in about five hours to get out helped along a little bit by the flow of the water. Are you saying they had to they had to swim for five hours? The wooded harm was too strong and most pasta swim. They were mostly pulling themselves along the guideline for five hours at took correct to go from point A to beat way to get out of the cave would take five hours direct. Oh my God. I thought it was just a matter of a half hour or something like that. No, it was it was a huge undertaking. How would you have enough oxygen? Well, as as you would know that that's that's the on what you can do on eighteenth to even the three tanks that they were taking in each of the divers had three straight three times strapped to them and they positioned spit. Thanks, along the way to replenish supplies Opoku. They find them. They had systems worked out the different sports that had been marked the new way that would be had a system of mocking the tanks with different colors, which ones a full and empty at some point in the rescue. They had like Kim lots those sort of glow in the dark blue sixty snapping night. They come to life. They had those types of the tanks that would let them up in green or red for for twelve hours. So the job is would know which thanks that even them and which were empty now. The ordeal, of course, will be how do you get a kid who doesn't know how to be a scuba diver who can't breathe who's never had a mask on most of them? How do you get him for five hours to breathe this tank without panicking or going crazy and getting him out with the diver? And of course, this is where your story in your book has made it all around the world. It's all over the the media today that these kids were sedated tell us about that. That's right. The sedation of the boys was something that was absolutely necessary for this is a lot. It just couldn't have happened. Otherwise, they would have woken up. They would have panicked along the way and put their own lives in danger and possibly the rescue daughter as well. So a decision was made. At the time very secretly for Australian anesthesiologist who was also an expert cave. Diver one of any two people in the world who has that skill set went in and the boys to sleep using topple sedative police academy. He also gave them a couple of other things to help that process. So before the name was injected into the boys lake he was given an anti anxiety, drug abuse, other brand names that would calm him down down to the water's edge would sit Dr Harry, Dr Richard Harris and stuff to how he would give an injection into his leg of ketamine to put him to sleep an injection into his other leg of an anti saliva agent. So that while he was unconscious. He wouldn't rule into the mosque, and therefore create another drowning has an suffocate. So are you saying that they pull these kids through for five hours? And they were knocked out. They were knocked out. None of the boys. Remember, anything factual of the of the escape at all the one of the most kind of stopping things I think all of the rescue and of the sedation process was that the rescue was gonna take ours is about three hours to get the camp three which is sort of the diving diving part of it and during that process, the the kid of Maine would only last. For about an alum. So each of the boys would have to be revised. Each of the the the British recovery actually took one bleach and under time. Each of those expert divers had a little pouch with a preloaded syringe of main separate firms needle and at various stages. They have to read minister that most of the time. This was done at various stations that was set up. And there were other dot instructors volunteered to be there to help them. But on at least one occasion with Jason Johnson. He's boy WorldCom floor in the water while they're in a part of the tunnel. Had no money banks on the side. He was forced to just hold the boys. Best he could samba around with his other hand to get these reloaded ketamine syringes out and find reate minister that the wizards. And he describes it either. Very calm. He's he's a stiff upper lip British guy. He doesn't to the state too much or exaggerate anything. He said, it was a pretty nervous moment with syringes and rep is floating around in the water in these divers were heroes. Absolutely. Yeah. There there are certain breed people who cave diving for fun. Generally has a certain kind of character. They're very careful there often extremely good at what they do professionally and the rest of their loss. They're very sober. Guys who don't react emotionally to things generally speaking because that sort of reaction, of course, can kill you. So these kids were knocked out with the breathing respirator in their mouth. What would keep them full faith? Mosque was was sealed tightly to their almost almost like a helmet. That's right to the front of the. Okay. So they didn't they didn't have anything in their mouths breathing. Like a scuba diver. Correct. Okay. So that helped a little bit. So they're knocked out there sleep. They've got this helmet on leak proof and off they go. For a five hour trip..