Andy Murphy Paul, Robert Sternberg, Bossy discussed on The Psychology Podcast with Scott Barry Kaufman


Yeah. Interesting, interesting. So stay tuned for more on that research on that. It's a very emerging science. You know, we should talk about intelligence for a second. How do you define intelligence? Because you use that word in your book and you talk about smarts, you could see how an intelligence researcher in the field of psychology might beg to differ that some of the things you're describing is intelligence is intelligence. But no one, as we both know, and agree, no one has the stake on what that word means and what counts. No research or owns the definition of it. So I'd love to ask Andy Murphy Paul's definition. I probably have a pretty broad definition all things considered. I would say intelligence is the ability to think effectively in the world to a learn and remember to solve problems and to come up with new ideas. You know, so for me, it's really rooted and grounded and how effectively you can act in the world. It's less of a brain in a jar kind of what's your IQ and more like what can you do with that intelligence do you have in terms of advancing your own goals? And that's the cornerstone of my mentor and grad school Robert sternberg's new book. Which I think you wrote about in Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, one of the best single of all. I think it was. Yeah. Yeah, bossy wrote about that in Boston called about adaptive Intel. So if you think about it going to adapt, we can certainly bring in lots of the things we're talking about. Could you make the point that the spaces around us expand our minds and can increase our expertise and knowledge and intelligence versus what are some of the environmental conditions that you've identified? Yeah, well, one of them is spending time outdoors, which was a really interesting strand of research that at first I was a little skeptical about to be honest because the idea that going outside makes you feel good or makes you think better seemed like tree hugging nature loving nonsense, but the more I am dug into that research, the more I appreciated the mechanism by which psychologists think that those effects occur, which is, you know, that we evolved to process the kind of information that is present in natural settings. And we process that information that stimuli in a really effortless way in a way that we find very pleasant that we find very restorative in the sense that it doesn't demand. Does it make the demands on our cognition it doesn't draw down our mental resources the way a highly stressful urban setting or even focusing very intently on symbols and concepts as we do in our work and our learning, those things are really demanding of the brain, but being out in nature as many of us know from personal experience, you know, it's restorative, it's relaxing, it engages our attention in a way that is pleasant and diverting, but it's sort of diffused. It's not like we have to focus really intently on anything. And so after we spent some time in nature, it's like refilling the tank, you know, of our of our attentional resources. And then we can go back to return to our work our learning sort of refreshed and better able to focus. Yeah, yeah. This intense living in a big city..

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