JEN, Calvin, Brisbane discussed on Risen Motherhood



They. Motherhood is hard. One second. We think we're doing a good enough job and the next week Bulich the worst mom on the planet, which is why we need the refreshing truth of the gospel to be repeated over and over giving us hope in the everyday moments. So mama, whether you're sipping coal copy or doing a sink full of dishes. We hope you'll find truth, encouragement and laughter here this is the Brisbane motherhood podcast. Thanks for joining us. Hey, guys, Laura here. Welcome to the final installment of our four part series on educating our children and the gospel. If you miss it the past few weeks, we encourage you to go back and listen to all our episodes on education. The gospel. We've done a high level overview of what scripture speaks to about how educate our children, and then we've zoomed in through three different interviews to learn more about how God leads individual families in different ways of educating their children. The first was Melissa Kruger with private schooling. Second was Irene sign with home school. And today we're hearing from our final mom, Jen Wilkin. She'll be speaking to how she sent her children through public education and the freedom she found in the gospel, Jen serves on staff at the village church and is an author and bible teacher. You probably heard us talk a lot about her book women of the word, how to study the bible with both our hearts and our minds. It's a favorite here at risen motherhood for learning how to study the bible properly. She was also written unlike him, which talks about ten ways got his different. From us, and that's a good thing and has a new book coming out in his image which explores the other side of that coin, ten attributes of God that Christians are called to reflect. This book is already available for preorder as it comes out in may of this year. Of course you can find jen's work all over the web. So we've included links for where you can follow her on risen motherhood dot com. In addition, just want to make sure all of, you know, better landing page at Brisbane, motherhood dot com. Slash education. This is a special spot designated on our site for all our education resources that we've collected during our schooling series here at our 'em. We know it's a big important topics. We wanted to make it super easy to find everything there. You'll find links to all the interviews and show notes discussion questions for the shows and any extra articles resources. And of course, the questionnaire document that we've developed if you've not checked this out yet, let me encourage you to do so the entire document is just made of intentional questions that you and your husband can work there as you process through this decision. We've pray that it will be a blessing to you. Okay. Nell, let's get to the interview with Jen Emily and me. Hi Jen. Thank you so much for joining us on the risen motherhood podcast today. I'm so glad to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, we know you've been on the show before, and a lot of our listeners are really familiar with your work and your writing, and we just love you resum other hood, obviously, but can you give a quick background just for anyone who might have heard of you yet and talk a little bit about your family and your what your day looks like. And then of course, how you educate your children. Okay. I'm Jen. I've been married to Jeff for almost twenty five years. It'll be twenty five years this summer, and it's so funny. He's actually sitting over there while we're recruiting, big cheer. So that's a good sign. Probably that he's. Number. We have four children. They are Matt. He's Twenty-one. Mary Kay is twenty. Clear is nineteen, and Calvin is seventeen. All the birthdays are getting ready to flip. So only one left at home right now, Calvin is a senior in high school and he believe in August to join his siblings, Texas am university. He cannot wait all of them together. Amazing. Yeah. I mean, he does find our company delightful, but I is about ready. He's about ready to go vote for sure. I am on staff at the village church in the village church institute have responsibility for all of our adult classes at our five campuses. And my thing that I loved the most is to talk about by literacy in the church and especially among women, and we chose to send our children through public school from start to finish. So can you walk us through your decision for public education? You said that you've done that from start to finish. So taking yourself back to your mom of young Little's especially in kind of at the precipice of that decision. Can you walk us through a little bit how that worked for you and your husband? Yeah. Well, I always like to say up front that I fully acknowledged that this is a very personal decision, and there are million factors that impacted and what worked for us is not necessarily going to work for everyone. But I do like to give our perspective because sometimes. People in Christian communities will write off this option as not being one that they can consider at all. And so while I don't think that our situation is necessarily normative, I do like to talk about it just to let people know that you can love the Lord and send your children to public school in all of the other pieces of the puzzle lineup. But when our kids were small, we had probably tell from the ages that I said, our children were all born within four years. So there's exactly four years between my oldest, Matt and my youngest Calvin. And so I think because of that, we had to assess things a little differently than someone who may be had their children a little more spread out or who may be had fewer children or even more children. You know, that's something that affects the way that you make this decision. And so in our case, financially, private school was not going to be an option for us. Especially with having so many in at the same time. I mean, right now I've got three in college. Another one heading out the door to to join them soon. And so if we had done private school for all of their earlier years, there was just no way we were going to be able to think about having money available for them that time for them to go off to college just because it's just so many of them right in a row. So we did not seriously consider private school because of financial restrictions. So I don't wanna say that we weighed finding that we weighed private school heavily against public school and then chose according to our conscience. It wasn't that it just was an option for us finding chili. And so then you're faced with well, homeschool our public school and at the time that our kids were little, we were in community. There were a ton of home schoolers, and they were actually doing it really well. They were doing co off. They had proms. We were in the Houston area, and I think that area was maybe a little bit ahead of some of the areas that we had lived in at other times where you know you kind of thought his home of home schooling as sort. Like, why would anybody do that? We felt that way about home schooling, but we also come from a family of public educators. And so we had some convictions around public school as an ideal. And also we were living in an area where the public schools from an academic standpoint were excellent, which meant the decision for us was not going to be based on whether or not they would get a good education in the one environment versus the other. And so when we think about our children schooling option for us, at least we did not feel an impulse to shield arch children from influences that they might encounter in the public school. And again, the education piece was not a factor, so we weren't living somewhere where it's an inner city school or where the funding is bad. I have family members who have have public schools near them that I don't know how you would ever have the courage to send your child there. Although many people do, and I think it can be admirable. But a lot of. The factors that sometimes keep people from right out of the gate saying yes to public school. Those have not ever been an issue. And I, I love how you bring up there just so many factors. And that's even among our own friend group says, we've been having these conversations. That's an observation we've made is that when you look at the financial piece of the puzzle and we'll literally what school is in your neighborhood and what does that specific school lake? You know, all of those different questions come into play, and so it's really hard to just make a blanket statement of any kind that says, oh, this is better decision. So kind of bridging into that question. Can you just talk us through why we have freedom in Christ in this decision and just kind of, is there a better twice? I think we've kind of the plane around and and internet, but if there's if you want to expound upon that anymore, I think that'd be helpful. You know, again, our kids did not have no one has a learning disability. No one had we had no special consideration. With our children and so that removed a lot of questions off the table for us. And then it became a question for us. Well, you know, we believe that if at all possible, we should opt in to the public school system because we believe that. I would say that as a Christian, whether you whatever choice you pursue with your own children, it's important to feel conviction. That education is a right that we are all entitled to, and so that even if your children are not participating in the public school system, you as an adult can find ways to participate in and improve the public school system for those families who do not have another option. And so for us, we were able to hold to public education as an ideal, not just by investing in it as members of our community, but by actually placing our children there with very little risk associated with that decision. And so we wanted to. So I don't think that they're, you know, I think one of the things this is probably come up in the other interviews as well. One of the misconceptions about education choices is that it's a decision you make when your child enters. Into kindergarten, and then you just stay the course forever. And though it may appear that we did that if there had ever been a compelling reason to reevaluate that decision, we certainly would have. We didn't happen to run into one. And some of that is because just of the makeup of our family, a lot of the things that people fear with regard to public school or things like bullying or a child being isolated, not making friends or making the wrong friends. And at least in the case of our family, our children were their own peer group in many regards because they were so close in age, and they shared a lot of friends, a lot of overlap in their friend groups, and a lot of policing of who people were being friends with kids, and then just like mindedness with their siblings, right? The people that have been the peers, they're spending the most time with where underneath their own roof. And so some of the factors that can make public school. But honestly, any classroom environment default were alleviated for us a little just because they had each other. Ingenio talked a little bit about you would reevaluate if you needed to. Can you speak to that mom, who does feel guilt or anxiety maybe of sending her child

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