The New York Times, New York, Editor discussed on Channel 33

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Or a Davidenko booked up I wanNA talk to you about the New York Times Narrative podcast caliphate. I. Just I guess I'm I'm I'm just asking you. If. You made this up if this whole thing was an invention. This. Tell me you know. So I've been hoping the. Hoping I can see that at this whole thing is bullshit just so I can. Say That when I once they come around to prosecute prosecutor that you cannot prove anything because they cannot prove anything. That's rupe meaning. A terrorism reporter for the New York Times, talking to her subject, a Canadian man in his twenties was identified by the name Abu Who's Asia to protect his identity safe said that he had left Canada to join the terrorist group Isis and then he went to Syria and participated in executions before fleeing and eventually arriving back in Canada. Well, in late September who's afer whose real name is sh arose Chowdhury was charged. In candidate for allegedly fabricating tales about his experiences as an Islamic state fighter by the Royal Canadian. Mounted Police The New York. Times. Now has to backtrack and report the Caliphate podcast which one peabody award according to the daily Beast Times editor Dean vk wrote a memo. We are going to put together a group of reporters and take a new look at the story, his story, and inevitably how we presented his story. David my brain going like nine directions. I'M GONNA pawn on first down and just hand the ball to you first things first it's a lot harder to memory whole podcast and I don't mean this in a particularly like antagonistic way but it's a lot harder to to just sort of. Hand Wave highly successful narrative podcast away for an institution like The New York Times then it would be you know the collected works of Jason Blair or whatever you know whatever those things might never get come up in conversation again naturally. So it's A. Very interesting situation they have their. Because the whole purpose of caliphate was to sort of. Put a foot into the modern media world right into it to engage in narrative podcasting and. And one of the benefits one of the goals of narrative podcasting as you have this sort of like testament, you have this statue that will live on right. You can always go back and listen to Cathy you can wreck people can recommend it to friends. Is it just like look this up on your podcast APP? This is. An incredibly compelling thing from a from editorial standpoint. But when you actually look at the narrative podcast and I'm not gonNA name names but the narrative podcasts that had been hugely successful I used to always joke that. These. GR- like the the the great narrative podcasts were like feature stories that sounded great on pitch but never got published because it's like even the best of them are like three quarters, two thirds But three, I'll say through Gordon Bennett for the Dow two thirds or three quarters of a really compelling story, and then a sort of. Beautiful Shoulder. Shrug that go at that follows instead of actually having to like. Finish? The story. Like and that's where I find myself sitting on this back porch wondering whatever happened to Bryan Curtis Shawshank redemption ending you know. But. Those are the kind of things that are absent from almost all great narrative podcasts or things that you're editor will make you pin down before you can push published right? I. Mean these are really important things and I'm not saying that's what happened here but there is a difference between the way that we tell stories. For on the on the podcast audio format and the way that you write big feature stories for a place like the New York Times and to think that the same editorial staff the same writing staff everything that it's GonNa be a smooth transition. It invites to assume it's going to go okay that's what invites the problem you know almost I mean it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy..

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