Eric Holder, Eighty Percent, Two Years discussed on The Electorette Podcast
What are the strategies we need to double down on? I wanna know what every holder said, we did he say. You know? And he he I will never he put his hand on my arm, and he grabbed me like this was the first time he'd ever heard this before any said. I just never even thought about that. And I'm embarrassed he said, I'm embarrassed that I have never thought about that. And it makes so much sense. You know for that moment. I was like can I just pull out my iphone importer? Really quick. And have you on record saying that? But, you know, this is this is the response that I I think we get every time, you know, we're in we took on the bail industry over the last two years in the beginning of that campaign. People were asking why in the world are women with incarcerated loved ones like like, why are they involved in this issue? Why is this what you would consider your issue? And I just think like any thought about who's paying the bail industry. It is women. It is grammar. There is in mothers who are putting their houses up of collateral to secure their loved ones the lease. It is women who are going into debt to to prison phone companies in to provide support to loved ones inside and children left behind on the outside. It's women who are in these positions. No in quote know, what the the ugliness of our criminal legal system first-hand and are experiencing the. The life altering impacts despite perhaps never having seen the inside of a cell. And I think that is something that we cannot lose sight of in the midst of our conversations about the criminal Justice system. Meanwhile, women, of course, are being incarcerated at a rate that is outpacing that of men eighty percent of women in jails are mothers in so the the ways in which we are looking at these issues out. You know, we talk about intersection -ality, I think we we so often like to kind of throw around that word. But to really commit ourselves to intersectional struggle means that we need to see the ways in which our systems are designed to harm women in communities of color. And I think in our criminal Justice conversations. We I just haven't found his talking about women a lot or certainly not enough. And that's something that that I care about from a multitude of angle. When that look strategic. I believe we need women and they're persuasive in powerful voices two fuel this movement. I also believe that we need women to be able to understand. Let me say also we need women in trans women in people we need queer communities, we need gender. Non conforming people in order to really address the ways in which patriarchy is a central motor of our continuous kind of constant need to choose punitive controlling Carceres solutions to harm those things are tied up in in values of patriarchy as well as values of of white supremacy. And if we're not going to get to those kinds of root causes than we're not gonna get to that. I think the aims that were all driving towards now. You know, you're absolutely right. I mean that was my first reaction going back to Eric holder's reaction. I thought of course. Of course, women are taking on this pertinent in it hadn't occurred to me hadn't on me before. Right. And I want to go back to that stat that you mentioned you said one in four women has an incarcerated loved one one in four which is incredible. But then also I think he said one in two black women or women of color has an incarcerated loved one. Is that right? Yes. One two black women, and until you define this as a women's health crisis..