Listen: Donald Trump, Michael Cohen, Robert Muller discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"A real motivation for Donald Trump. It certainly is a real motivation for Donald Trump, and I think anybody who's ever worked with the Trump organization knows that all you really had to do was show up with a sack of cash and plop it on his desk, then he'd do business with you. That's how Trump university got started. That's how the Trump SoHo got built. I think we have to take some of this stuff with a little bit of a grain of salt. Because I think clearly one of the sources of information for prosecutors is Felix sater's, and he's the same individual who said that a fifty million dollar penthouse was being offered to let them reporting, but they don't really have a evidence that that occurred in Moscow nonetheless, these sorts of statements in that document get to the kind of horse trading. The people are curious about why did Donald? Trump treat Vladimir Putin with kid gloves in Helsinki. What did they talk about? When they met alone in Helsinki. What was Trump going to get beyond? Just, you know, getting elected president if he was going to try to engineering engineer the lifting of sanctions against Russia. Money's and obvious answer. And I think it's even more important in the context of what we know about the run up to the general election, which is that Trump didn't think he was going to win. And none of the people around him thought they were going to win everybody in the Trump universe from the summer of two thousand fifteen until the fall of twenty sixteen where Griffing they all Flynn Manafort cone and Trump himself. They were all trying to do deals to make money, and they never anticipated that ended up under the magnifying glass of Robert Muller. Michael isikoff. I think any reader of your book, a Russian roulette is not surprised about what we're learning tonight about how long the Moscow project was pursued everything we're discovering seems to be consistent with all the research that you delivered in your book. Were you surprised by any of the developments that have been revealed in these pleadings I was surprised last week by the Cohen guilty plea about the direct communications between Michael Cohen and Ladimir Putin's office it self the the special assistant to Dmitry peskov. His press secretary who did respond to that Email that was that that Cohen sent to Paskov and that there were discussions about securing land and financing for that deal during the presidential campaign. There was a represent. Of Mike of Donald Trump, speaking directly with the Kremlin about securing their health for financing for a business deal that was going to make Donald Trump a lot of money that was even further than we we had known before. And was pretty stunning. And I agree with Kennet totally gives the lie to what Donald Trump was saying about he had nothing to do with Russia. He didn't know anybody worked for him who had any contact with Russians. But you know, again that said a lot a lot of Michael Cohen. If if Robert Muller was looking for a witness John dean to testify against the president. He's going to have a hard time with Michael Cohen, especially reading that southern district memo, which says he wasn't even forthcoming after he agreed to cooperate and wouldn't testify wouldn't give them information about his past criminal. Conduct that really undercuts Michael Cohen as a witness, and obviously Paul Manafort is not anybody who can be used as a witness. So to keep people who could have been witnesses against Donald Trump have a serious, baggage and are probably unusable by Robert Muller, even Muller's pleading. They specify that the Coens first impulse was to lie to them. And so he didn't start telling the truth until the second round of their discussions. Mike lists go. Tim O'Brien, Ken, the lady and thank you for helping us start this off tonight. Everyone else is going to stay with us. We're going to continue our discussion of what has happened today in these legal filings, and there's the Paul Manafort legal filing, which we haven't even gotten to how crazy is Paul Manafort, according to Robert Muller's filing in the metaphor case today. The answer is very very crazy. Even Paul manafort's own lawyers seem to agree with the prosecutors that Manafort was. Lying to the prosecutors.."