WGN, Chicago, Bertrand discussed on Wintrust Business Lunch with Steve Bertrand
You're listening to the winters business lunch on seven twenty WGN sponsored by winning trust Chicago's banks the Bertrand here in this Tuesday afternoon thanks very much for tuning in Kelly Leonard is the host of getting to yes and the podcast that comes from the folks at second city yeah. there to move out and confused about the lineage sometimes of the podcast but yeah yeah yeah we'll set the second city has a division called second city works that brings improvisational skills to corporations and organizations and that's how the start it is these these kinds of conversations around all right and then you find people to talk to like yeah George lips it's whose pressure black study sociology university Santa Barbara his name they was book insubordinate spaces improvisation and accompaniment for social justice well that sounds like a good page Turner it's a little heavy in fact when I asked him if you want to do the podcast he's like I don't think so you don't get it Hey I like he didn't think I got and he's like it's not about improv comedy and like actually not there's a whole field of improvisation that is tied to social justice movements us we actually end up having a really cool calm improvisation he says is quintessentially a social activity right how does that feed his argument in his book so what he's talking about is in real times of social justice and change it has to come from the people it doesn't come from the people on top are not going to disrupt the order of things right so he uses examples of Ferguson what went on there and then in Canada this whole movement around immigrant rights I was reading that so it's good I'd never heard the idle No more me yeah I hadn't either so this took place maybe around twenty years ago or so and it was looking at indigenous people not being respected having their land taken away from them and and and and racism and so what they did was they sort of had spontaneous dancing and music and pop up festivals so that other Canadians could see these people as themselves how is it improvisation of they're planning to go to a lot of one day well they did they they weren't initially planned so that the whole idea it was it was people started getting together themselves a real leader there was no one directing them to go at this place at this time it's our happened organically fueled by social media because now social. media you can you know start something in a day but it wasn't planned ahead of time and there is no organization guiding you you know it before these interviews you sometimes give me so few quotes and yet if I'm lazy that's all they look at it actually try to read more about this book okay but another one of these quotes is in order for social change to take place it takes place I don't know what that means it takes places so so the isolation yeah the the idea is that you do need an actual place in which to form your ideas and collaborate with other people and one of the really compelling examples they use was archbishop Romero and I I found an interesting tie to our improv in an injured bought it Keith Johnstone who's a legendary improv instructor talks about improvisation is walking backwards into the future okay so the idea there is that you can't see what's in the future but you're working with us both what's behind you what you've learned but also who's next to you right right right Romero talks about walking down a road with the peasants and the fact the church got away from really caring for the people supposed to care for and for walking down the road with them we're all equal sometimes were at you know head sometimes are behind the wheel but it was really important our peripheral vision in this actually comes up a lot in in the interviews I do with futurists and business people is that our ability to have peripheral vision is what will help us guide ourselves in the future so I guess so put a point on that and this is a business show what is it that business leaders or executives take from this conversation yeah what what they get what they need to know is like its wisdom of the crowds right we we've missed understand sometimes what what that means and if we want to understand what the people were selling to where the people want buy our products we have to talk to them and we have to see them and understand their needs as opposed to putting our needs on them but the crowds are always right no but the grand across don't often know what they know what they want like you wouldn't go to a implementation happens it takes places yeah I mean think about the I phone you wouldn't say to someone here even want this device in your hands computer in your and they would have known that however if you if you look at the problems people have. and what issues they're.