California, JIM, GOP discussed on Ethan at Night


Call me up eight eight eight one zero is the phone number. We here for two and a talk show. And so the the thing I want to talk about is the prisoners being used to fight. These fires. And there's there's a lot about this. That bothers me. But let's start with the basic is that. The GOP will say, you know, don't do the crime. If you can't do the time and besides, you know, it was voluntary. It's true prisoners aren't trained firefighters. They aren't they aren't paid. They get a dollar an hour and two dollars a day. And they aren't technically forced. But the expectation is high. Can certain privileges. Are according to those who do so you're going well, chip what's the problem with that? Well, look, if that's true, then put the hundred people indicted, so far under the Trump administration and the fires near San Francisco and give them an F and rake. All right. To take the again, most of these people are poor disenfranchised, and that dollar or two dollars actually can buy cigarettes and buy some extra things that they wouldn't normally have, but it's still essentially slave labor. Now, I've had people go chip they can learn a craft and the recidivism is low. First of all, they're not gonna job as a felon. You're not going to get a job as a firefighter when you get out. They don't give that to felons. Okay. I mean, you can apply to the state, but it's you're not gonna get it. So you don't you're not really learning anything there. And there's a good chance that you get injured you could die. I mean, not a good chance, but a much better chance than if you're back in your cell. Watching TV look I get California relies on thousands of prisoners including many women to battle the wildfires. That burned in our state, and they do gain some training and earn some time off their senses for good behavior. Typically two days off for each day served, but the state is exploiting prisoners eagerness stern time for early release. While salaried firefighters get about seventy four grand plus benefits, which is probably worth at least seventy four grand inmates earn about two bucks a day again, as I mentioned with an additional dollar per hour when fighting active fires, and even though they get some training. They don't know. They don't have the instincts. It real firefighters in the middle of a mess like that. When the wind starts to change again, if they don't have leadership, or if it's easy from what I understand to get lost in a fire to get trapped in the next thing. You know, if you don't have a, you know, the I forget, the names of the guys that fight those fires and remember we had a few die about five years ago. Hot. They have they have like anyway, there's a movie that was made about these guys and they're really trained and sometimes it can get these. They can drop to the ground and cover themselves up and try to get through the fire. These guys don't know how to do that they're prisoners. So I guess my point is is that using prisoners to fight. Fires is is not what we should be doing. We're taking advantage of poor people and poor people who have committed a crime many times drug related. You know? I mean, these aren't violent felons that are out there to do this. Most of them probably were dealing either pot or they might have been dealing coke again. Remember there were for years. And this is one of the new sentencing guidelines that one of the things Trump administration has done that I go. Yes. It's a great thing. I mean, did you know that if you had a crack cocaine and the other guy had powder cocaine you went to jail sometime for three times as long as a guy with a powder cocaine. It was a racist. It's racist way of punishing people and putting those people out unprepared to fight these fires while you know, instead of having to pay him seventy five thousand dollars a year, plus another seventy thousand benefits that's just wrong it to me. It's slave labor. It's got a Cupertino at eight thousand eight oh, eight one. Oh, Jim thanks for the call, man. Appreciate it. Yeah. I I agree with you up to a point that. I'd like to see white collar criminals out there. And of course, most they're not gonna do that. Because they don't have to they have money. They don't need the time off because their sentences are shorter. They usually are in minimum security prisons. These guys can sometimes be in maximum security or in in prison said aren't that? Well done even if they're only moderate security. This is a truly taking advantage of poor people generally poor people who have no other way out I agree with you. But then again, but if I'm wild up, and I'm going to be locked up for years to come. They might seem like a. It might seem a little bit shooting. The know that I can get out of those prison walls for for a day or a week or that's why it'd be great to do that. If you were picking up trash on the side of the road. But when you're in a in an active wildfire, and again, you know, I'm reading an article right now in democracy now dot com, and it's it's chilling to what these guys face. Yeah. I agree with you there. You know, the name of that movie. You were talking about Walberg started that they were a team of firefighters up in Colorado that dot com fire it died. I think it was I don't know twelve twelve of those men or maybe. Always in. He's always in disaster as in patriots day where you know, the terrorist attack. And then he was the perfect storm. I guess. Anyway, thank you so much for taking my call. Appreciate it. Jim. Thanks, pal. Yeah. That is true. Mark Wahlberg is you know, and then he was in that that one with a talking bear, which was as bad as a as a movie about tear anyway. So look the California wildfires what we're looking at now is who's actually fighting the wildfires in the people fighting wildfires. Many cases are prisoners up to seven thousand full time and seasonal California firefighters, but they rely on behalf of that it's prisoners. So of the of the ten thousand ten and a half thousand people out there fighting those four forced I mean, these these wildfires about thirty five hundred of them are prisoners, including men and women and men that work side by side. He do this California Department correction tweet last week just about two thousand prisoners are currently fighting the wildfires including fifty eight youth offenders. You know, I just.

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