Officer, Eric Garner, Erica Garner discussed on Diane Rehm: On My Mind
The reds to my hundred haitian with paul butler. He's professor peschiera georgetown university's school of law and author of the book chokehold policing black men so the leave family a barrick garner is satisfied that officer pantaleo no longer has a job with the new york city eddie police force but they say it's not enough. What do they want now diane. There were or at least twelve law enforcement officers and other first responders who were on the scene went. Mr garner was killed. There's now no question that what officer pantaleo did was against the n._y._p._d. Regulations and in fact because of this kinda complicated <hes> new york law when the judge recommended that officer pantaleo be dismissed from the force she had actually find that he committed a crime and so that's what she found. That's why she made her recommendation nonetheless. The only person connect it to the garner case who's gone to jail is ramsey orta the young man who shot the video. He always said that he was scared to show this video but again he felt it was his responsibility as a citizen to shine a light on what the police officers were doing allegedly in our name flat his he in jail. He says that that night after the video was public the n._y._p._d. Cain to his apartment building <hes> they position their car so oh that it's spotlight was shining on the window of the apartment where he lived and he said that was a message to him. Were coming for for you. Mr order like mr garner. You know he'd had some cases. He caught some cases. He had a history with a with drug crimes and the police got him. He says they set him up. They say that they found drugs in his apartment. His mom lived in the apartment as well. The prosecutor said tell you what if you plead guilty to are these drugs. We won't lock your mother up. If you make go to trial <hes> your mom was right here in the apartment with these drugs as well. We're gonna put her in jail as well as you. Mr orta made that deal and so right now. He's in jail what the family says is. There should be criminal consequences <hes> for these officers as well. That ship has sailed again. There's no state h. Charges and no federal charges. I understand that you as congressman jerry. Nadler is thinking about or it is going to hold hearings on possible just slave to strengthen what he calls police kennedy relations. What do you think that you know i think it's important that there be transparency and accountability and all institutions in government and certainly with regard to the police who are literally license to kill alive stood a number of times police have difficult jobs. I don't have the guts the courage to be a police officer. I respect my many friends who do that work but with that responsibility comes accountability and too often with regard to police departments all over the country they don't have that accountability <hes> they're not responsible to the people who they are supposed to serve him protect and so we have this breakdown in relations especially between communities of color and police and so i'm all all for any kind of alfred to transform police departments what president obama said in his commission on twenty first century policing is that to lofton now cops out this warrior mentality where they look at their communities like it's us against them. <hes> what president obama says is. The better model is guardians. Police officers are guardians of the community and if you think about it diane there's a whole different resum a whole different mindset you have if you wanna be a guardian then then if you wanna be a warrior and so in my book choko policing black men i recommend that among other things we need a whole lot more women women cops. It's proven that women officers are less likely to use force including deadly fourth. They're just as effective at fighting crime at catching. The bag is at everything. We want police officers to do but they're able to do that. In a way that involves what we call conflict resolution they talk it out more than take weapons is out that works better county how policing in minority communities differs. There's a lot of mistrust people have different <unk> experiences <hes> one of my buddies who's a police officer here in the district of columbia says that in this very segregated city in some ways they're the identity <unk> white areas and identifiably african american areas when he's in a white area and he sees kids they wave <hes> their experiences that their mom called the officer to get the cat out of the tree when he sees young children and african american communities especially east of the anacostia river were some of the poorer areas in the district of columbia kids run from this officer. They have the experience of you're the guy who who locked up my uncle <hes> you're the guard who rolls by and gives us that heart steer and so lots of tension lots of distrust lots of fear to be quite frank. You know i'm thinking now about these very low income kids in d._c. But last week i had the privilege of being at this really fancy house in sag harbor with a buddy of mine who makes lots and lots of money. He ran a company that it was very successful and now he's retired and he says you know what when i see that cop cars behind me as an african american man heart starts racing. I don't know what's going to happen and so you know sometimes class poverty that makes a difference difference and it certainly does here but there's something really thick about race about blackness and latino keno ness when it comes to interactions with the police and sell even middle income and upper income folks have the same same kinds of concerns that you know our brothers and sisters who are are low income half with regard to cops. What do you think thank. The garner family wants to do going forward. These are people who've become active with this <hes>. I don't think they started out as all that political but they want it. Their husband husband their father their brother they wanted mr garner's death to how some significance <hes> they wanted to push pushback against that lieutenant who when the officers on the scene when mr garner was killed text their boss to say that mr garner had died this lieutenant commander you're in the n._y._p._d. Texted back no big deal. The garner family wants the world role to know is that eric garner's death was a big deal and so they become very important activists from the movement with again tragic results diane you know we've all had experiences with the trauma arma that the death of our loved ones brings erica his daughter named after him. She was the face of the family. Every time there was a news conference and every time the mayor appeared in place to talk about criminal justice before she was there right in his face had a huge presence on social media about one year ago erica garner die. She was a young woman. People say she literally died of a broken heart. Her heart just stopped beating in so this is trauma and you know i think what we all should hope for now is that the work of this family and all the other activists in the movement for black lives and all all the other people of good wheel who are concerned about these issues that that people like mr garner people like sandra bland land tibia rice this whole host of black and latino men and women whose lives have been taken by police in a sense that these folks are martyrs an let their dass be meaningful. Let the tragedy of the era lives at least inspire the trans formation of police departments all over the country to give us the kind of transparency and democracy that we should demand from our government. How much hope do you have have that what happened to eric garner will truly heaven impact on chain jin police force i thinking and behavior across the country i want to be optimistic and i've had the pleasure of knowing you you for many years and i've had the privilege of being on the air with you lots and lots of times so many of these times. It kind of feels like we're talking about the same thing. It kind of feels like we're asking why it does the criminal justice system treat so many people like they don't count like they're expendable. Whether it's jailers there's or police or prosecutors lawmakers. give folks even brick and so thinking about oh how common these stories are. That's a reason not to be so hopeful. Aw at the same time i think that the movement for black lives has inspired a movement for for social justice so when i look at other movements like the civil rights movement i think that they've made our democracy democracy better all of that took a while and when i look at the old jim crow though segregated schools water fountains and cemeteries it took a hundred years for the law to change. Some people have described the criminal legal process. Now is the new jim crow will. I hope it doesn't take one hundred years but now there's a whole movement in a people who just wanna make our police and prosecutors really live up to what the constitution says about equal quilt justice under the law. I'm confident that at some point the new jim crow all will end and our democracy. We'll be better pump. Thank you always a.