Mullah Baradar, Razia Iqbal, Fawzia Koofi discussed on BBC Newshour


It was. It was generally assumed for many days that the head of the new cabinet would be Mullah Baradar with the deputy political leader of the Taliban. The man who has played a leading role in the political negotiations. He arrived to Kabul to take part of the to delete the talks about forming the government. But out of nowhere came the man couldn't founding member of the Taliban, who is regarded as a compromise candidate. Behind the scenes, then were their efforts as we waited for the Cabinet to resolve the rivalries around. Around people like Sirajuddin Haqqani, the minister of Interior Resume list, part of the so called Haqqani Network, blamed for some of the worst atrocities of of civilians and Mullah Baradar. Mullah Yaqoub, the eldest son of the two first Taliban, emir. Mullah Omar. So it seems as though that there was an effort to try to put aside at least to do to put aside for a while. These rivalries in this so called caretaker interim government and to have a compromised character and all elderly man from Canada. Kandahar, who's on the U. N terrorism list will lead it for some time. Was the Pakistani ISI chief involved in this. He arrived in Kabul days ago, saying to journalists. I'm only coming to see the Pakistani ambassador, but he's clearly been involved behind the scenes. The Qataris have been involved behind the scenes. So lo and behold, the Taliban have a leadership. They can represent them at the Geneva Conference on aid on Monday and can say to Afghans well, We have a government for now. It will be changed. Perhaps in the future. These do set joining us live from Kabul. Thanks. Before I came on air. We spoke to Fawzia Koofi First woman, deputy speaker of the Afghan Parliament. She's had to leave Afghanistan in the wake of the government falling her reaction on the makeup of the new interim government. Well, I think, um the Taliban were claiming to establish inclusive government because and only an inclusive government is a respond to the diversity of Afghanistan society Nowadays, however, I think their definition of inclusivity is inclusion of their different factions within Taliban. So you see that they have divided the power without you know, looking at the society and their needs within their own. In our circles so among her Panis and Mullah Omar and my brother, the key positions are divided, which, clearly there is a lack of from religious minorities, Inclusion and the woman which is in contradiction to what the people of Afghanistan demand this. It's a transformed nation. They want to be part of the decision. I do not think that any political establishment will survive without considering the society and it's um you know diversity as you say no women and no real reflection of the ethnic diversity of Afghanistan, 30 Pashtun in the in the Cabinet and two Tajiks and one Uzbek. I just wonder, though, what you make specifically about The individuals who we are seeing at the heart of this government. So the Interior Minister Sirajuddin Haqqani, the head of the Haqqani network, What do you make of him? Months of the almost everyone who is in the cabinet. There are people who are in the sanction lists of the U. N. And there are people accused of, you know, um atrocities and society bombing planning suicide bombing in Afghanistan, killing a lot of civilians. Now, of course, in a transition where we move from war to peace. It's for the people of Afghanistan to pardon and we have been traveling into the past 23 years to bring us to a situation where people will have that say the victims of war will have a safe to pardon, But we know that it's now the Taliban, who have announced amnesty instead of the Actually, it's the people that should agree to an amnesty or not. I think from what I know from the social fabric of Afghanistan and from my experience of being in Afghanistan, and, uh throughout my life, but especially, you know, politically engaged in in the past 20 years, I think, if any government is not responsive to the social public of Afghanistan At no religious representation. They will face serious consequences. And we know that in the past 23 days or sell the Taliban actually took over militarily, Kabul and other cities. There have been a lot of protests, especially by one putting their rights at risk. So ah, this woman who have these people who have no knowledge and Experience of government and certainly have not changed to meet the need of the current Afghanistan. For them. It will be extremely challenging to rule. Um, I don't know. Who are they going to represent in the government? It indeed the Cabinet is led by Mullah Mohammad Hassan Akhund, who is on a UN blacklist. And and her, uh Siraj. Haqqani is, of course, wanted by the by the FBI. When you say That you don't know who they represent and how they are going to govern. Do you envisage a continuation of demonstrations with whatever the consequences might be? We've seen We've seen many people yesterday in Kabul treated really very badly by the Taliban forces. What do you envisage in the in the short term, So I think this civil protests and resistance against the oppression Will continue and and my understanding is that it will actually become stronger like today in Badakshan woman actually protested. They were, of course, some dismantled through violence. I think this will continue, Although much of it depends on how the Taliban will treat these protesters. I know that they are very violent and probably they won't show so much violence now because they're in seek of international legitimacy. They want to be the co organized but with the current Cabinet members now the question is, how will the world look at the future of relation its relationship with Afghanistan? I know that my request would be not to give blank checks to such a cabinet or to such a government where people have no space woman 55% of the population, religious minorities, which are part of our beauties of Afghanistan or not included. My request would be not to give blood checks. When you talk about the response by the international community and asking for people to pause before the Recognize the government or give them a blank check as you as you say, What do you make of the U. S State Department and their their caution their dismay. They say they're concerned by the affiliations and track records of some of the individuals that's must strike many people as very guarded. Given that Mr Haqqani is wanted by the FBI. Absolutely. I think a lot of people are actually in Afghanistan very, very disappointed with What the world actually and the superpowers, you know, kind of handle the whole thing. And, um I think it will be a surprise if we see a softer diplomatic approach from the U. S. People will completely lose trust. If that is the case, My hope is that we asked people of Afghanistan or in desperate need of help. Millions of people do not have job and income. Especially the families who actually dependent on women's income. A lot of women were breadwinners of the family. They do not even now have the ability to function as in the form of small business or whatever source of income, so the people need desperately humanitarian aid through international organizations. Because I feel I feel for my people. I have been part of all the ups and downs. My heart actually bleeds. I mean, I'm sorry for becoming so emotional, but in every moment of my contact with Afghanistan, I don't hear a positive news and and it feels as somebody who has been in those situations. You know how it feels. Last year, kufi there we will return to Afghanistan and here in American perspective on events in Kabul later in the program, you're listening to the BBC World Service. I'm Razia Iqbal. This is news hour. Mm hmm..

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