Aaron Rodgers, Ryan Tannehill, Tom Clemens discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
Yeah, listen, we saw Aaron Rodgers struggle with the intricacies of this offense early on. We see some quarterbacks take to it really well just because they've never had this much space in their life, but that's like Ryan Tannehill, right? Where he became the most efficient passer in the league in this offense because he's like holy crap. I've never seen guys this open before and so that's great. That's a really cool thing. But when you're used to having so much control over everything and who goes where and who's supposed to be in certain places, this isn't that offense, you know? In this offense, it's like, you know what, get back into your drop, get to the mesh point, get booted out and then let's follow the rules. And I think some guys just can't operate that way. And it's unfortunate, but I think once you submit to that, then once you master that, you can start to add what you do well in there. Like that's what we saw Aaron do. I think one of the biggest stories of the last 5 years in football was Aaron Rodgers, allowing himself to be broken down by that system and then building it back up together with Lafleur with Hackett with Tom Clemens is there now. Adam stenotic and they build it back up together where it's something that includes all of their stuff, but you have to get broken down. You have to allow yourself to get broken down to the bare bones. I don't see that with him. I don't see there being like a submission because I think we're seeing open wide receivers. I think there would be something wrong if this looked like Jacksonville last year where there's literally two guys smashing into each other, but and we did have that in fairness to Russell, right? Wasn't it last week? In the same place. But it ended up being a completion. They're big plays. Yeah. But, you know, I'm seeing open guys. You know, so I don't know what to think here. There's not a schematic problem, and there's not a play calling problem. And if you don't want to watch every snap of the season so far, because you have a life and loved ones you want to spend time with. I would say watch the Seattle game. I think that was a good example. A lot of really wide open receivers running out there. But also, if you don't want to watch the whole Seattle game, just watch the overtime drive because I don't want to overstate it, and I don't want to oversimplify it and say like, well, watch this OneDrive and that tells you everything that's gone wrong. 'cause that's a little unfair too. But that over time drive was too, you know, two big plays that were pure scheme. Those were they could have had Brett rippon in there. They could have brought back Brock Osweiler or terrorism. Any quarterback could have made those throws. The scheme, the play calling, presented those to him. So they move all the way down. And then, of course, at the end of the game, the issue is you miss the wide open slant because you're basically coming out of the huddle deciding. You're going to try and fire one into courtland Sutton. And that's why you're going home with the loss in that game. But the best point you have ever made Connor. You or I have ever made. This looks a lot like the 2019 packers. Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback of Marshall Wilson in their primes. He was better right now. He's better. So I don't want to say this is going to end up with Russell Wilson winning back to back MVPs in 2023 and 2024. But we were all kind of ringing our hands and kind of wondering how this was going to play out with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Lafleur and that staff in 2019 when it just wasn't smooth and they won games because they were a very good overall team. They got some breaks along the way. They get to 13 and three, but Aaron Rodgers did not look good that year. He didn't look really, really good again until 2020. Aaron Rodgers similarly, a very improvisational quarterback for the first portion of his career. Like you said, he had to be broken down and he had to sort of give himself over. And it wasn't a total like 100% type thing, but they had to meet somewhere in the middle, but probably a little more toward the highly scheme side of things. And that's why you see the packers where they are right now. And why they'll probably be able to get back to that point once they're young receivers get up to speed here, but that's kind of what we're looking at here. We're looking at a guy who. Stylistically he has to change. He has a first year head coach who does not have a track record who is going to win this tug of war. The front office has chosen their side. I mean, they made the trade and then they gave them the monster contract. There's no moving on from Russell Wilson. I guess you could put Brett ripon in and make him the most expensive backup player in the history of sports, but wouldn't that be amazing? It would be amazing. And I will say, I'll admit it. When the report of the shoulder issue came out, I was like, man, I wonder if this is just used to run Brett rippin out there and just have, just have a league average offense for a couple of weeks instead of instead of a bottom three offensive. And just because you can win games with this defense, yeah, you're going to win games if you have a league average offense. You're just not going to win games if you have this. Crap. So I would encourage our listeners and I would encourage everybody to just think about this. Not as just a plus B equals C not expensive player underperforming whose fault is it. I think you bring up a good point, Gary. And I think that we should think about a lot of situations across the NFL like this. Everybody is trying to stay employed. And this goes for all of us in all of our lives, right? I have been bringing down this podcast for two years and Gary has been trying to replace me. Because it makes Gary look bad by comparison. You know, so there is, you know, there's stuff like this that happened. No, just kidding. But rip it, Brett ripping keeps on getting signed. I've been trying to bring him into the MMV podcast, but he keeps on sticking on Denver's roster. So you have a GM who traded all of the, you have a new owner. So Robert California walks in. You've got a new boss. Okay? You have a GM that paid the quarterback $250 million and traded away all your draft picks. So is the owner, you walk down into the building and you're like, hey, how come we don't get to do anything cool on draft night? Oh, 'cause of that guy? Okay. And why isn't he playing well? Okay. And then you have the coach, who comes over here. So there's three different and then you have the quarterbacks. You have four different power structures here. You know, what's the easiest thing for everybody to do in this situation is to be like, yeah, it's the head coach, right? I mean, honestly, right? Just because he's the cheapest one to get rid of. He doesn't have the track record. Like you said, and so I think so much of the narrative in the previous weeks and in the coming weeks. And if you look at if you watch the broadcast, they talk about Nathaniel Hackett like my dad talks about me in public. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. You know what I mean? Like my dad's like, oh, Conor's driving a car. We'll see what happens, you know? It's like Nathaniel Hackett's coaching coaching football. I don't know, man. This is scary for everybody. And so I think that's why we've arrived at this point of complexity. And that's why you saw Bill Belichick in Cleveland, and I'm not comparing it to Daniel Hackett, Bill bell check. But that's why you saw Bill Belichick in Cleveland. Just trade Bernie kosar and be like, screw it. I'm not dealing with this. I like the I like somebody else. I want to play my style of football. And Nathaniel actually can't do that. And so it would only take an injury and then like a Geno Smith esque rise from Brett rippon for him to be able to establish a power position here and be like, nah, guys, I know what I'm doing. Someone else just isn't dancing to the music. Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if the hack had took that job thinking like, boy, if I could just get my hands on Brett rippin. It really gets in the cooking ear. And Brett rippin standing there like, no, you guys want me. Everybody talks about Wilson's rip in this whole time.