Bernie I, Assault, NRA discussed on The Axe Files with David Axelrod


He would never have touched guns with a ten foot pole burning Eighty-eight. We ran for congress and lost by three points, and he was the again, running as an independent, the both democrat and Republican, both pledged that they would not ban assault weapons, and he was, he said, no, I will. I will ban weapons ninety eight. And so you know there's in, you know, of course, presidential campaign is a lot of nuance gets lost as you well know as people try to paint you with broad brushstrokes. But the truth matter is, is that in Vermont, certainly Bernie was way out front in terms of the assault, weapons ban head of everybody. I mean, there are other issues I'm not. I'm not really making another. That he, you know, you are elected to represent your state and plainly the fact that the state there was a large world population, lots of hunters and so on, right? He clearly talked to folks about that that inform some he, he hadn't. He, he had a nuance position on the issue. The the thing is that in the times in which we live, it's hard to have a nuance position on that on that issue. I mean after propo- like where I grew up, you know many people's homes. You will go into the limit room. One of the major sort of pieces of furniture is the glass gun gunky gun virus six guns in it. There's the initiatives lying on the shelf below and no one thinks anything about it. Note anybody think that would be something that you would take us for some nefarious purposes just, yeah, one of the things you have. Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing that. The thing that's so difficult is how do we get the have, how do we have a reason discussion on this? You know Obama's had a debate when he was in the state Senate with a rural, a rural legislator, and he said, you know, I know. I think I've said this here before, but I know that. You know, you grew up with guns and your dad took you out at dawn hunting and his dad did the same. This, you know, big part of of your of your life and of your of what what is is typical in your communities? In my community, though I've got parents who wait by the window anxiously hoping that their kids don't get shot on the way home. And he said there has to be a way to to to to protect your traditions and our and the children in my area, and he's right about that. We ought to be able to have, but we can't. We can't because of well, frankly, because of the way the issue has been weaponized. And here you know, I'm sure people because it has people who if there are people listening on the right here, they would say, well, weaponized by a gun control advocates, but really the NRA is kind of an industry now. Yeah, absolutely. And they speak for an industry. I mean, they really, you know. They they, they have weaponized this issue on behalf of the gun industry shrouded in in in, you know, intimations about autocracy and the overweening government. And yeah, let me let's be clear. The NRA has become, you know, an adjunct Republican party. There's no. I mean, it is a wildly partisan organization. I mean, I remember when Bernie I got elected to the house of representatives. There were a lot of much many more rural Democrats, right? And the views on on gun legislation within the Democratic Party was was much more diverse in terms of positioning and it was much urban rural now it's completely a partisan issue, right? And Republicans, you know, use it to try to beat up Democrats. It's interesting to see how this if in how this issue evolves, it feels like that parkland shooting was a bit of a watershed. We'll see how certainly in suburban areas the issue has has changed, but so have suburban voter? Yes. So you you ultimately did go back to college at the university of Vermont, I did. Yes. Between campaigns Bernie, I work with burn eighty six where he was not successful in running for governor. I work with an eighty, ran for congress loss by three points and then a ninety..

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