Bill Ryan, Len Casten, Cornell University discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
Welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you. We are joined by Len Casten had joined the US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University. And while in the air force, he experienced the off. Oh, encounter. That had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena, that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nightcap was the most prestigious organization of the country at the time investigating you Len. Welcome back to the program. Actually, George always a pleasure. I joined nightcap to when I was a kid I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Yeah. What a great organization, KO did a great job. And he it was the head of it also. That's right. Exactly. That's a good point. How have you been Ivan fine? Haven't finally. And you pretty writing you've got this new book coming out next year dark leap. I know I've been working on it for about a year. Looking forward to that. But we're we might as well book for next year already to get you back. It's kind of be published in much. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets serpico because that has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? Well show. Yeah, absolutely. It was a it was an interesting. It was an interesting event. And. You know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show avenue. Yes. We sure have Bill knows a lot about Serpa also and also carry Cassidy, it really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under for longtime at finally emerged, thanks to DIA. They had a lot to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. That can was a back and forth, transferring program. No, we set twelve Americans on on an alien spaceship to that to that planet in nineteen sixty five. Did they come that they stay differ thirteen years? Reminds me of the ending of that close and counters of the third kind movie remember that scene. The movie was about that actually left only seven came back. Five. Freedom died in two decided to remain there, really. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm not sure. What's that was that was a question I asked at contact in the desert this weekend. If you would go on an ET craft one way in not come back in half of the panelists they not go the other half said they would. I'm not I don't know why I would say that in advance that they would intend to stay there. That's surprises because that's that's unlikely to go to a fun planet one haven't even seen in wanna stay. Yeah. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they like they're two of them tuned in we're was this planet, what system was then and data, take you lie about thirty nine light years from our solar system, isn't that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and Betty hill case might have originated from system system, and there are many, many planets around that particular son, actually actually, it's a binary son took two, two sons there in the system, the, that's, that's the reason that our people never had any doctor step, because it was always one son in the sky. So it was always like there, whenever they're close encounters came out late. Seventies, I think. Close encounters came out in, I think it was a seventy seventy seven okay in right. Do you think they fed Spielberg some of this information absolately? No question wherever he wrote the screenplay in one weekend at the Sherry Netherlands, hotel in New York City, he could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed information, and he was getting the information from the DIA. Did they give him the information because it wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened? They thought it belonged in the public that the public had a right to know this, because it was an important story. And so the DIA people who released it wanted it known and this was the best way they could do. It was through Spielberg. He just made a tremendous hit with jaws. Right. And they thought he thought he was the right guy for it any. Hey did a great job, a great movie. And people still talking about it today as a matter of fact, and that scene, where the, the twelve twelve people lined up ten minutes to women lined up in orange jumpsuits in Saint moving with their sunglasses on and everything else your they needed strong sunglasses because they knew in advance that the sun was very bright on. Supple. Special and skipper, brought that out. When we with a lot about it was an amazing program. Both the movie and probably the project circle has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end we tablets to relation diplomatic relationship with those that civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia and we invited the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as fact that was that was the so called. Nineteen sixty four craft and landed in northern New Mexico. Lonnie's Maura was right. Coral. That was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed near Sokoto instead of home and force base. But then they got finally got a message, and they went back to Holloman and they stayed in orbit, while the other one landed was actually sent to craft here. It was that case, the lonnie's immoral case that conveys j Allen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. Hi, Nick was the one that said it was the most convincing case that on record. Exactly exactly, it changed his whole view. It did. Exactly. And because it was a huge egg-shaped craft sitting on the ground on legs, and too small. Creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed they jumped in and took off. They went for a while. I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they have out there somewhere because it kinda sounded like it. But, but the more I got into it lend. The more I realize now, one is more something from out of this world. Well, that incident occurred on April twenty four nineteen sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's that's how it all coincided. It was abs-. Absolutely right. On target Lynn. What kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they had anti-matter technology. We know that. But they also knew how to travel through wormholes, and it was a journey to took the only took ten months from one to the went into the other. So it must have been true. It must have been through a wormhole travel is actually instantaneous, but navigating to and from the entrances to the wormholes, take some time, and that's probably how they how they chewed up the other ten nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. Exactly. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes are really part of a much larger web, that primates the, the, the whole solar system, like it's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you're through you go through a Stargate. And you're traveled instantaneous one when you wrote the book secret journey to planet surp-, which was back in two thousand thirteen. I think how did you come across the story? How did how did this come to you? Well, I spent two hours in a in a shuttle craft with Bill. Ryan. I witnessed any talked about it the whole the whole trip now when he when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on now. He wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small cab. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said, you know, it was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it. And it made sense to me, and I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to just simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website that was put out there by the DIA so much information that it's mind boggling fourteen thousand words in the web on website, which was created by Bill created website. No. That's where all the information comes from in somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consulted about this. Tell me about that. Yes, he was consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about the astronomy all the astronaut details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it. Because he was too, too much involved with the astronomy program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making such a nutty claim same. So same university. You went to yes. Yes, he went to Cornell. He was the head of the department there, and he was brilliant, brilliant, but. The whole thing was that. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his needed his input and. But he wrote, he nevertheless, he did write about it in fiction in fictional form. He wrote the book contact. That's right. So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about the information what he knew about the situation because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept he couldn't. He couldn't really he has had of trying to department an Ivy league university. He probably would have lost his job. Yeah. That's true it so he took the wiser course and. Nevertheless, he's still becoming immortal guy. He's, he's really missing his own right now the agency that ran this department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that. Was created by president Kennedy nineteen sixty two okay. He and McNamara's secretary of defense they had troubles with CIA is, you know, is everybody knows and Kennedy threatened to break it up into a thousand pieces. I think you know that, right. Mhm name part of the reason why he was done in. Yes. Yes, probably. But that's what motivated him to start the DIA, which was a more comprehensive intelligence agency that, that took took into account all of the services, not just the navy or the airforce with the army was all three combined. It was mainly concerned with fun foreign intelligence, who is the see I was supposed to be too. But see, I got more absorbed with, with domestic until exactly. Exa- is is there an agency that is still overseeing this kind of project? But yeah, the DIA still exists. So they're still the, the watchdogs for this it's grown. It's grown to be a huge agency. I think it's even larger than the CIA now. Now, the, the aliens from serbo have been called Evans. Well, yeah, one of our people came up with that term because it stands for extraterrestrial biological entity. And that was a very unimagined very animated way to call them even and they got named even stuck there still even how much cooperation has there been Len between them and us. A lot of cooperation we status a diplomatic relationship with the new nine nine visits back and forth. And I'm quite convinced even though I hadn't been reported anywhere. I'm sure that we have now sent around spaceship, there, believe it or not. Gender generally, when they came here, remembering close in counters, of course, it was way out into the hinterlands in the desert by, you know, some mountain range, where when the press the rain came here, where did they normally land landed at Holloman Air Force base, right next to the whites white sands proving ground. That's where they landed nineteen sixty five the witnesses must've been amazing. But they're all military people than I guess. Yeah. People government people and..