"Discover Milan Italy with WSJ magazine and into Garay. Join WSJ magazine editors for behind the scenes access in Milan. As you meet the city's most influential tastes makers dine at top restaurants. Visit the private villas of late coamo and much more book. This once in a lifetime trip at Indy. Gory dot com slash WSJ magazine or call six four six seven eight zero eight three eight three. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac watch. Bernie Sanders announces a second run for the White House. But this time the Vermont Senator is not the only candidate running on socialism. And Hillary Clinton is not his only opponent. What are Senator Sanders chances this time around in twenty twenty welcome? I'm Paul zhigo with the Wall Street Journal editorial page and here to talk about Bernie's second second run for the roses, Jillian Melcher. How're you Jillian and gain you, and I'm okay. Thank you and Kyle Peterson. Hey, kyle. Hello. So let's talk about about Bernie popular on well known enough to go buy a single name Bernie Hillary, Donald when you've reached that level of fame in American politics that tends to be an advantage, Jillian. I mean, he has name Rick. Ignition that other Democrats envy second. If you look at the the poll so far in these are lar- based largely on name recognition. He's second behind former vice president Joe Biden, that's something to to Bank on he came very close closer than I think almost everybody imagined to beat Hillary Clinton who was the preemptive favourite and it scared everybody else out of the race in in two thousand sixteen Bernie said no you gotta go scare me. And and he came very close. What are his other assets advantages in going in to get the nomination this time, Jillian? Well, he's beginning. When since the significant campaign cash on hand about nine million. That's a big advantage in a crowded field. And I also think he's someone that has really set the direction of the Democratic Party. If you look how far left they've shifted since the two thousand sixteen election. He is basically single. Handily made socialism not a dirty word for the left anymore. So Medicare for all which Hillary Clinton attacked in twenty sixteen as extreme is now mainstream among democratic candidates. You've got who Kamala Harris running on it? You got Cory Booker endorsing get Tulsi Gabbard endorsing it. You got Kirsten gillibrand endorsing Elizabeth Warren doors it, and and some others as well at least in in in partial form. Yeah. In a lot of ways, he set the agenda. I think one of the really interesting things to keep an eye on is he may end up being a victim of his own success. He was so influential in moving the party left's. So many people followed his example that now he's finding himself. Not the only socialist not the only person that far left, and I think that may end up being challenge for him because his ideas differentiated him in thousand sixteen now there are a bunch of other candidates who are behind the same or similar platforms, and it's going to be harder for somebody who's older. Who's male and who's white in an era of identity politics to stand up? Well, I guess that's true. Kyle. He is he is seventy seven years old on now he'll be seventy eight in September. He would be if he won the nomination the oldest nominee of any of either major political party in American history. I don't think there's ever been a seventy nine year old nominated. So I guess seventy nine the new what fifty nine, but maybe maybe we I mean, I you had all those millennials who were willing to vote for Sanders when he was well, I guess seventy six or seventy well now, it would be he was been the seventy four or five. So that wasn't a problem. Then would it be would that be a problem? Now, will it may be but to jillions point part of part of what made his his movements such as success in twenty sixteen is that he was the alternate. Native Hillary Clinton. And so you had a lot of people who were purists who could not go for the Clinton Brenna politics who jumped on you had a lot of people who just didn't like the Clintons didn't want to a dynasty jump on. But now come come twenty twenty you know, there's a lot of other shiny new things floating around, and he is going to have to work hard. I think to retain the support that he had and with the peer ISM is also an interesting thing. So when you say pure is what do you mean? You mean ideological purists? Yeah. I optical zoom inability or not wanting to back away from point. So one of the things that's interesting is joining talked about how Medicare for all has kind of become a movement. But with when Kamala Harris was rolling out her campaign, people probably remember this. She was asked so Medicare for all what does that mean for, you know, private health insurance? And she said, well, let's just you know, let's just get rid of all that old stuff. And when people held the breaths when I think she saw the reaction to that. She she. Backed away from that comment. So she sees the politics enough that she is kind of trying to trail triangulate there, and it's hard to imagine Bernie doing that. Well, but but but but okay, that's right fair enough. But is at an advantage for Sanders in the democratic primary like this where everybody else is triangulating or playing the angles. He says, I'm the real deal on the true believer. You won't get any corner-cutting with me. Maybe it is Jillian. Yeah. You might be completely right on this. I mean, I think when we're looking at what millennials liked about him. It was the purity was that also on the left in the same way that we've seen on the right? There's an anti-establishment sort of mentality. And that he was seen as the guy who is willing to take on the establishment. So I think he's coming into this with a lot of credibility in a lot of name recognition. In that in that. And that could help now on the other hand Republicans tend on the second time around to nominate somebody we've done they've done that all kinds of of times Mitt Romney ran before then one again, John McCain ram before than than that than finally one. Ronald Reagan ran wants lost. Then ran ran again, Democrats aren't so they don't tend to do that. They tend to go for the shiny new thing more often than not in Brcko bomb being of course, the the famous case, and but Jimmy Carter similar Bill Clinton came out of nowhere. Similar those are the three most recent successful president. So that they the Democrats I think might be drawn this time more to somebody who is new and fresh onto the scene and that may work against Sanders. Now, we're speculating here, obviously. But the, but that's where Democrats may not like the. Second time around right, and one of the things that I think is going to play huge role as it did with the Republicans last time as the debates so the Democratic National Committee is already talking about how in their first round of debates, which I think are going to begin the summer. They're going to have room for twenty candidates. The June is the day now do that month. Yeah. And just just as in two thousand sixteen I mean, you remember some of those debates there was an undercard debate first. And then there was a second debate. And it was hard to even hear it was hard to even get a sense of any of these guys because there was so many of them competing for the limelight competing for the the time. And so there may be a similar sort of. But does that help somebody like Sanders, and or Biden who will by dint of their name recognition, be sure to be in the center stage. Sure, it could or it could help a newcomer like Trump who is an unknown quantity and gets up on the debate stage and just said something that captivates voters interesting. So let's talk about the the the other thing about Bernie and this relates to the two. The fact that he had. Ran the only the solo socialist last time Tulsi Gabbard supported him. Now Tulsi Gabbard that congresswoman from Hawaii. She's running yourself not going to support Bernie, obviously, at least not in the first instance, Alexandria. 'cause you're Cortez was an organizer for Sanders. She's gonna stay neutral with Warren running in her own right going to carve into into his his socialist base. So would you argue Jillian that he's going to have a tougher time this time, or do you think that how how strong candidate is Sanders? Well, I certainly wouldn't rule him out at this point. I think he's coming into it with credibility. He's coming into name recognition. He's got a bit of a head start on organization. He certainly had some time to find tune his message. But then again, if you're talking about how the Democratic Party likes the new in shining candidate Auden 2016 sixteen that you had a septuagenarian as the fresh face of the Democratic Party. That's not necessarily going to be the case. All right. We're talking about the Bernie Sanders presidential candidacy, and you're listening to Potomac watch from the Wall Street Journal."