Amtrak, Boeing, Mike discussed on Coast to Coast AM
Specifically I guess the pain and suffering of the people who were on these airplanes and has to do with how long they knew they were doomed. Yeah. This is the part of air travel that it's not part of this is the thing that I am not afraid to die necessarily but on an airplane. When stuff starts going bad. I'm afraid of how long I'm going to know. And how I'm going to act in Emma going to scream from my mother at cetera. I'm afraid this terrible. I'm afraid of embarrassing myself. Just. I am the last thing. No, look, it's a human reaction, etc. But yeah, the two planes had different amounts of time. Six minutes to twelve minutes is the planes were pitching back and forth, and people were terrified. So I guess this is one way to look at this. Are there other ways that you could value human life because this is this is gonna cost Boeing a lot of money started cost a lot of lives? Six million dollars six that's. That's okay. Boston still does that was the actual number calculated really Boeing the airlines working with the government calculated about a six years ago at six million dollars per, so they're probably if you add an inflation cost of living or dying and raise that it's probably in the eight million dollar category right now. I was just I was I was thinking literally you were making a six million dollar man quip. No, six million bucks. Well, that was then it's going to be a little bit more than. Yeah. Experts say the Boeing company overall could be facing payouts in excess of one billion with a B one billion dollars. If it can be proved that it had knowledge that the model had safety flaws. And so the people on board line air flight, for example, it ditched and kept going back and forth, twelve minutes. So you add that all up per person. And then that's the figure you would come to that. Can you imagine sitting there knowing the pilot is not getting control of an airplane? I've I've been in that temporary circumstance landing in. Chicago. It was quite clear. The pilot wanted out of that vector where you're on castle. Really controversial question is it is it fair to say that people may be near the end of their lives, or who who aren't raising young children because there's a lot of responsibility that their lives are just as valuable but could a lawyer for Boeing going and said, well, some of these people were at the end of their lifespan, and they didn't I mean is it can even do that. They do that all the time with insurance company. So how would that be different? If you were a lawyer trying to get a number figure now the beginning of their life versus the end of their life versus potential they had to society. I don't even like the discussion because you just you know, I know I brought it up. So. You want me to make it even more cynical do, Mike? So there's also a calculation based on where the crash happened, and they will actually literally calculate lower amounts for people outside the United States or outside northern European countries. Where there's a strong tort system in place Hasso, if the if this plane crash in Peru with mostly locals or this plane were to crash, let's say in Indonesia, let's just say in Africa. In the calculus is different than it is places. Can you? This is not an exaggeration. It's not me being mean spirited, this is that well more than actual. I mean, this is a blend of what what settlements have existed, and then what they feel like they are going to have to pay what the local torch. Rod remember because your local tort law. Your your law that allows you to get damages and punitive penalties changes everywhere there. So depending on where this case is where these negotiated it's going to change their people at big companies candy who they have like there's probably ten or twelve people at a big company into department. Who knows exactly the lawsuit settlement number, exactly? And they are sworn to secrecy. Like, you wouldn't believe I've a dear friend of mine who was one of these people at Microsoft, he knew exactly the amount of money for wish. They would settle say a patent infringement claim and one dollar more than that you're asking. Now, they have to ruin you in court. So speaking of human lives there this young woman. Thank god. She lived her name is Tiffany, Vincent. And this is from king five news. She had her whole career planned out. She was leaving her career in the air force. She wanted to go be in the civilian police. She was injured in the Amtrak crash, and this has made it now she may not walking in they've told her that she's not going to be able to wear a bulletproof vest cetera body armor. So she probably cannot go I can walk. She can walk along, but you can't run and she's like having physical activity. Let's think of this picture correct man that might so in that case you've got a number of deaths that occurred in this crash. This these these companies Amtrak is a company sound transit washed up they were warned and they knew that this track system wasn't ready. So is there a different calculus when it is largely government entities that make these decisions that end in loss of life or the radical change this young woman's life is your different calculus? And should there be when government is involved governments involved here? But there she's suing Amtrak. So so Amtrak it appears that that there were plenty of warnings that. This was a thirty mile an hour corner. Yeah. There was I mean Amtrak acknowledges that there was warning in place for thirty mile an hour corner. This was a guy who even talked about. Apparently the warning prior to hitting the corner too fast. So I don't know. I mean, you can blame I guess other folks for maybe allowing them to use a track, although they had been using it other transit gone on that corner. And it hadn't actually, you know, they because they went at the correct speed. I don't know this one looks like it's on Amtrak. I guess you look at the Washington State Department of transportation report where they're engineers wrote this this this part of the train track is not going to be ready until such point that you get basically positive train control. So that they, you know, the computer system can take over they knew that sound transit engineers has I recall warned about this. And I'm really truly not interested in going and trying Tang this round people's next. I'm just wondering about the different. So when they talked about positive train control, which obviously should have been in place. They also still did do not require that. Right. So so that is something that is. Actually again, on the they're saying, these are the things that work you should be doing this. And we're done, you know, have at it. And the problem is that they weren't using that and the feds had given him track. I don't know how many breaks all of next year next year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get around to this. And it never never happens. I I guess I observe a different treatment when it's a private company versus, you know. And I I guess Amtrak sort of a private company, and you're talking about her case specifically where she had this dream of becoming a police officer. Now that looks like that's not going to happen in what her vision was still probably work for a police force. But she's not going to be running down purpose, for example because of her physical abilities. Now, what they are right in in her case with the lawyers are going to argue is that it's more than just a dream because he was working as a police officer in the military police. So so the bridge is a very narrow one between those two they hire military police all the time is not a whatever her, and so she there's definitely going to be a claim for for. A lifetime of lost wages as a result of this. And that certainly going to inflate it. So I haven't read a little bit about her. Although I missed the part that, you know, thank God, she's able to walk now something tells me that a young woman Tiffany Vincent is not going to be stopped. I hope she does won the lawsuit. Something tells me that there's a whole lot to come for this young lady in pursuit of her dreams in her life. So it come back onto candy, Mike and Todd show a gentleman named Shankar Narayan. And I wish that was my name. How interesting would I be if that was my name candy do what that name or do you think Bill is better with? All right. So he's with San Francisco, and what what what does he do there? No, he's talking about San Francisco. They are going to be the first city to got that guy. C L U all he'll be thrilled to hear from me. And he's director of technology. And so he does a lot of privacy issues. All right. So San Francisco first city in the country to ban facial recognition cameras, so Shankar Narayan with the ACLU technology division joins us. The candy Mike and Todd show next. We'll get to that. Tracy Taylor's going to check traffic.