Justin, Kenneth Copeland, Justin Peters discussed on Christian Podcast Community
Welcome to Romans road. The podcast of me Eddie. Roman this is where we talk about. Evangelism and apologetic then all kinds of Christian stuff today. I'm coming at you from within the Great Corona virus plague. I'm hidden away safely. I have a interview today with Justin. Peters Justin Peters is a man who has done a lot of teaching and investigating on the subject of the health and wealth movement. Some call it the name it and claim it basically the teaching out there that says if you have enough faith in God he will give you what you want. Be that wealth or health or basically solving all your problems and so people in this movement would be guys like Kenneth Copeland and Bethel church up in Redding California. They're kind of like the new version of of this movement and as I go on my facebook recently. I'm seeing a lot more of this kind of teaching out there. So for instance an article. Not Too long ago. It said Charismatic preacher Kenneth Copeland tries to heel corona virus through the TV screen. And you might have seen this video really creepy looking guy. He is a tried and true. False teacher been around for a long time scandal. A Lotta people. He still manages to rip people off all the time and so his latest thing as he is looking at the TV screen and he's got his hand up and he's basically saying if you touch my hand through the TV screen. You will be healed of the corona virus so Not sure they're going to him from hospitals yet to ask him to help them out. But so yeah. So Kenneth Copeland is a You know well known false teacher. Unfortunately he is also believed to be a real teacher of some sort by lots and lots of people and then another article on the Sacramento Bee. So this is S. A. C. B. E. DOT COM SEC be dot com a recent article of. There's a headline California mega church cancel services and trips to local hospitals to faith. Heal the sick and this is talking about Bethel Church and reading and think about that headline so. The church is canceling their trips to the hospital to heal sick people because of the crow virus. Some kind of wrong there you know if if if these people really have the power to heal the sick all the time then. What's a little Virus GonNa do. Stop them so anyway. Articles like this just kind of prove the ridiculousness of people who claim that they have power from God to heal people whenever they want and this kind of thing so anyway this is the faith movement the health and wealth of Prosperity Gospel and so. I thought this would be an appropriate time to unleash this interview with Justin. Peters I actually recorded this a couple of months ago but Now is better time than any to release this if you are not a Christian and you see articles like this where you have all these people like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland Joel osteen all these different people who claim that if you believe in their version of God their version of Bible teaching if you believe that if you have enough faith and you're going to get what you want whether it be money or health or whatever and you look at the looking at the stuff and you're saying this is kind of hard to believe. Well it is hard to believe. It's not true it's unbelievable. The Bible actually talks a lot about false teachers. Jesus Christ himself talked a lot about wolves in sheep's clothing in their desire isn't for your good. It's for your money. It's for your destruction all kinds of things like that. So so yes. These teachers do exist. Yes they do. Call themselves Christian teachers they actually use the name of Jesus bought. Unfortunately they are wolves chiefs clothing. And we're going to let Justin tell us more about that. Just two quick technical note this was recorded in the middle of a convention hall during a conference for the most part. The people in the background aren't too noticeable but at times they got pretty annoying. But anyway you'll be able to get through that. The first thing I mentioned is an experienced I had with a faith movement person. I wanted to get Justin S- thoughts on that so I asked my question and he took it away from there so here we go more often. The NAH I will run into someone who agrees with me in all the main doctrinal points of Christianity but they will be very into something else you know I was. I was preaching a little while ago and I was at the bottom. I was kind of next to appear next to me. There's this big huge structure and this lady's their opener preaching. She's a many. She's agreeing with me and then at the end of it she says Do you do any miracles? And so I said no. I don't I don't and she said well. You should be able to do miracles because because Jesus said we're supposed to be able to do these things and I have seen that kind of thing in certain areas if I know there's like a big pentecostal church around all kind of see more. There's people around there but you know this is something that you are dealing with all the time and so for the people who are listening. Who might not be familiar with your your seminar yet. The teachings done. Can you give us just a little? A little overview of what it is you do. I have a seminar. That's entitled Clouds Without Water. Which is a reference in the book of Jude Verse Twelve? It's one of the ways that he refers to false teachers. The picture that Ju- draws is that false teachers have the appearance of having some nourishment but none ever falls from them. They they leave the ground below them dry in parts but my seminar deals specifically with what's called the word of faith movement that's the proper term given to a movement that's more commonly known as the health and Wealth Gospel the Prosperity Gospel Naming and claiming Gospel. The teaching that. If you are a Christian it is always God's will for you to be wealthy and it's always God's will for you to be physically healed You should never be sick or if you do get sick then. Physical healing is guaranteed. As long as you have enough faith as long as you sow a seed in some preachers ministry. So you can reap harvest As long as you make the right positive confessions. Then you can activate hailing God obligated to respond to whatever you confess The money that you so and It's our it's our birthright if you will as Christians to be wealthy into be healed It's led by people such as Benny Hinn. Kenneth Goi Copeland Jesse duplantis dollar Joseph Prince Joyce Meyer Joel Osteen. These are just some of the more prominent names and and Unfortunately Eddie this stuff was created here in the United States we in the United States of America. We created this this false gospel and we have now exported it to the rest of the world and it is the face of Christianity around much of the world today. Now for many of us we've seen tbn we've seen different channels where you know. It almost becomes like a comedy among Biblical Christians and they see these things that kind of joke about it. 'cause stuff is so outrageous that people could possibly believe this stuff yet for a lot of people. It's not a joke. This is a real experience and I know for you. You came out of a background and you actually. We're we're in a time of you in your life where this was a very personal real thing to you. Can you tell us about that? Yeah I was born and reared in southern Baptist Church That's mob the logical background. I suppose but when I was at a teenager a neighbor of mine came up to me by the way I guess I should preface I. I have several palsy. I was born with cerebral Palsy Walk on crutches and use a scooter for long distances but When I was a teenager this neighbor of mine came up and he said Justin God has spoken to me and he's told me that he's going to heal you. Wow as long as you have enough faith how did that make you feel Well you know I I had no I thought I was Christian at the time I wasn't but but when I hear this guy say God spoke to me. I didn't have a biblical theological framework to say. Now wait a minute are no. He didn't right I just thought he did. I thought that God spoke to this guy and He told me about a faith healer. Who is coming to my hometown named Nora? Lam L. E. M. Chinese lady who's dead now but I was very very expectant on..