This is native America calling, I'm Sean spruce. With the arrowhead on their helmets, the name referencing tribal leaders and their tomahawk chop chant from the stands. The Kansas City team takes the field on Sunday to try and win football's top prize. The team is one of the holdouts in the NFL when it comes to problematic mascots. And fans in Phoenix will encounter protesters because of it. At the same time, Super Bowl organizers have made some decisive efforts to reach out to Native Americans and putting the event together. Is it enough? Is the league heading in the right direction? We're going to explore both the progress and the problems with the NFL and the Super Bowl from a native perspective. Can we appreciate the work by native artists, athletes and officials on the international stage, even with the glaring slight to Native Americans on the field, and in the stands. We want to hear from you this hour. Are you looking forward to Sunday's game? Or are you planning to avoid it? Give us a call at one 809 9 6 two 8 four 8. That's one 809 9 native. We welcome all comments and perspectives on native America calling. Joining us first from Missoula Montana today is Colby kicking woman. He's a reporter and a producer for Indian country today and he's blackfeet. Colby, welcome back to native America calling. Hey, good to be here. Also, joining us today in Phoenix, Arizona is Randy L Barton, AKA Randy boogie. He's an artist and a designer, and he's danae. Randy, welcome. Hey, gotcha. Randy. And also in Phoenix, we have Amanda black horse. She's a founder of the AZ rally. She's also danae. Amanda, you've been a guest before on NEC. Welcome back. Good to be back. Kobe, I'd like to start with you and let's have a little sports talk for the fans. Whose favorite to win on Sunday? Kansas City or Philadelphia. Last I thought Philadelphia was favored, although it was just by a point and a half, I believe. So it's set up to be a good game. Hopefully it's a great game. You know, it's been a while, I think, since it's been the top two teams from the NFC and the AFC meeting the Super Bowl, both teams have a lot of stars, great quarterbacks. So hopefully it's an exciting one. Now, there are a number of native personnel that are going to be involved here some on the field, native players, there's a native ref, a native coach, wow. I mean, is it possible the NFL is getting more inclusive? You know, that would be the hope. As you mentioned, the two players, both played for Kansas City, one is the center, creed Humphrey. He is a citizen padawan potawatomi nation. He plays senator he's been in the league for three years, I believe, and he's been played really well. I believe he made a Pro Bowl and then named to the second all pro NFL team. And then the other player in James Winchester was trough taught nation of Oklahoma. He's the long snapper. So he'll be on the field for punts and for field goals. And so they'll be those are very important positions for when they're involved. And yeah, one would hope that the NFL kind of keeps moving forward with the direction of inclusivity. Not only with players, the personnel and as you mentioned. It's cool that the two native guys on the field, they both support each other and one is the center and then the other is the long snapper that comes in on those special plays when they're in the shotgun and the other quarterback that's lined up further back. Tell us more about this native official on the field. Yeah, this is rod Phillips. He's Cherokee mason, he's going to be the down judge. And so I'm not sure which sideline he'll be lined up on, but when the play stops when the player is tackled, you see two referees from each sideline kind of run in and spot the ball wherever the individual was tackled. So he'll get a lot of face time during the game. Even though people might not know it on the back of his refrigerator and you can illustrate DJ so I think that's pretty cool. That is super cool. And how about the native coach? How does that feel unaware there was a native coach? That's on me. Little flip in the research. Okay, we'll check on that and get a little more information on the coach as well. So Colby, you know, the big issue, one of the big issues here, of course, is Kansas City facing increasing pressure to retire its mascot of course, native themed mascot. What's the likelihood that you think that will happen here in the near future? I'm not sure about the likelihood of the near future. I think it's one of those things. And I know Amanda could probably speak to this. It's just consistent applied pressure. You know, it took a long time for Washington to change their team name, but eventually they did and I think it's one of the things for the teams is they're not going to lose fans because of the name change and it's the right thing to do. So I think with consistently applied pressure and I mean, we'd all hope that it would be sooner rather than later, but eventually is that happened and hopefully we all get to celebrate that day together? Okay. Well, Amanda, I'd like to bring you in now and gain some perspective as well. What's the likelihood that they'll retire the chiefs mascot any time? They're relatively near future. You know, I don't really like to give those predictions just because, you know, with the Washington team fight, we waited for a very long time for that to happen. And I think what really took the skill with that was the 2020 unrest after George Floyd was killed, murdered by the police, and then the Black Lives Matter movement brought the issue of racism to the forefront. So, and I think that, you know, it was a time of revolution. And I think moments like that throughout history don't happen very often. And so I think that was the moment that pushed the sponsors to push the Washington team to make that change. So it's going to take an immense amount of pressure on the Kansas City team to make that change happen. And that's what native people have been doing for decades, you know, these movements have been going on for decades. And we have to put everything we have into this to apply that pressure. And if we don't, if we tolerate the racism, if we just let it get biased,