John Sober, Boston University, Soviet Union discussed on The Axe Files with David Axelrod


No self had just a very different world in those. Yeah, I'll say I'll say, I'm sure there are days when he probably misses those those those days. Yeah, every every politician of a certain age probably does. There was kind of charm to that when you had a few moments to collect your thoughts. Before being thrown in the mail stream now? That's right. I mean, now you get in the car and it's just another period of work, right? This phone calls and as you know, you know, sometimes multiple cell phones being passed to a candidate back and forth, and there just is no sort of down time to write or thinker get your bearings know you. Were you deeply interested in politics as a kid? I was not deeply interested in politics as a kid. I was interested into political theory as a kid became sort of politicized when I was at Boston University. As in undergraduate school, I became involved. I in a Soviet jewelry movement, and then in the anti-apartheid movement, why in the Soviet jewelry movement, I was a Russian area studies major at the time and I had met, you know, there were a number of Jewish students said to be you and I became involve, I was convinced to go down to a annual lobby. They had in a d c. at that time to lobby members of congress, on behalf of Soviet jewelry and had Geog. Griffey professor who heard I was going and she said, I have a friend, I would like you to meet. And I met this woman and her mother was still in the Soviet Union, and but was there weren't letting her leave. And I brought her case actually to Pat Lahey Vermont Senator exactly. And he raise it with Soviet officials and she was ultimately released was sort of early that's gratifying to me of political political activism, paying off. And then I was arrested in anti-apartheid protests at BU in Unser modestly unceremoniously asked to leave. And that's what I meant matter with Bernie Sanders. In the summer of you, you said shantytowns. We did. We did other schools. Other schools were doing. It seemed to go fine view that was John sober. I don't. If you remember John who went onto the career in politics? Yes, yes. In the Torius right wing anyway, he, he was not going to tolerate that, and we were well, there was an also you hung banners out of your? I did. I did. We. They tried to throw us out of the dorms, the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts represented us in court, and we won actually that we one actually that case. They said there was no institution, Massachusetts had more civil rights violations. Our civil liberties violations lodged against it than Boston University under John sober than why did the why did the apart anti-apartheid movement so sees you so that so much so that cost to your your your place was such a clear and compelling example of injustice in the world. You know here you had just a brutal regime that was keeping down the vast majority of people in that country, obviously along racial lines. And you know, Boston University, John sober was a big fan of Ronald Reagan, and he was bringing speakers, you know, you wouldn't call them pro apartheid speakers, but there were certainly apologised for tied speakers onto campus and it was. It was just it just, you know, move me very much that. Institution that I was paying a lot of money to was involved in in supporting that regime, you know, and be you had that time were number of departments. The international relations department had strong relations with the contra rebels in Central America was eventually scandal at the communication school involving the CIA sending students there to be trained as journalists, and then sending them to a foreign countries to join news organizations and report back, you know, stuffed on the UPI and others. So you know, be you at that point was really sort of had become sort of hob of far-right intelligencia and was being used in that way to build credibility for people who would then support that kind of agenda around the world. And it was very disturbing..

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