Bill Shatner, John Rothman, Hani Hanjour discussed on Pat Thurston


Afternoon. I'm Pat Thurston. Now. Somebody just told me that b Arthur was not on Star Trek. She was. I'm looking at a picture of her right now. Oh, OK, I'm wrong way. I always thought it was B Arthur. Now I'm seeing that the lady's name was Jane Ross. That be. Arthur was in a Star Trek episode. But I I honestly I thought this was B. Arthur. So my apologies. I It seems like I got that wrong. Yeah, but look at her. Look, you know, look it up. Just I did Bea Arthur Star Trek. And then I looked at images and immediately you get this that comes up and and everybody's going Well, isn't that the Arthur is Bea Arthur the same person as Jane Ross. And so, uh, yeah. Corrections. So, so sorry, but she was in A Star Trek holiday thing. I think that's what Bill Shatner said. Anyway. Um, that was in relation to Mark Thompson's show. So if I let anybody astray I did not mean to. I was wrong. Um, let's talk because of course, this Saturday is the anniversary the 20th anniversary of the 9 11 attacks and, um, you know, it's it was huge. It was. It was probably the hugest thing that happened in my lifetime. Um, maybe the hugest thing that's happened in your lifetime, depending on how old you are. It has left a un indelible and an indelible impression on my, uh on my mind and my psyche on my heart. It's something that as I watched some of them, they're not really retrospectives there. The The programs, the documentaries, the news shows that are showing a lot of the footage from that day, including news footage, but including footage of other people, just private citizens who took him photos and video. Of what happened there, man. It brings it all back. And you remember just how traumatizing that was for the entire nation, and it was traumatizing in a variety of ways. Now I bring this up because I have a couple of things. I want to talk with you concerning 9, 11, 2000 and one But I also want to tell you that on Saturday, John Rothman and I are going to do a 9 11 special during his regular program on Saturday here on KGO and I hope you listen in for that. It's we're going to be reliant upon you. To be participants in it. And to talk about what it meant to you. What your experience was on that day where you were, how you heard about it, How it impacted you. You know how it's been going forward. All of those things are things that we hope to bring to the fore that I found a pretty fascinating little piece today. That has to do with the 9 11 hijackers prior to the attacks and the fact that they were hiding in plain sight, and it's an interesting story because it tells us a few things it tells us about intelligence failures. It tells us about failures of law enforcement entities, the CIA, the FBI, um, coordinating things informing one another of what they were doing. And you know, trying to understand the why behind that. But it starts out here talking about being in June of 2000 and one that two men went to a busy strip mall in Fort Lee, New Jersey, and they rented mailboxes at mail boxes, et cetera. It's now defunct. These two men were hungy, Hani Hanjour and Nawaf Al Hazmi. And, uh, they didn't keep it for a heck of a long time because by September 11th, of course, they would no longer needed these two men, Honey, Hanjour and Nawaf al has has me. Um they join 17 other followers of Osama bin Laden Al Qaeda network and hijack four commercial jetliners and crash them into the trade centers. Uh, twin towers, the Pentagon in Northern Virginia and a farm field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Alhazmi, one of the guys who rented the mailbox helped to subdue passengers aboard the American Airlines flight. 77. That's the one that hit the West Wall of the Pentagon. Han jur is the one who piloted that plane. There was a report that was issued. It was called Hijackers Timeline. That give gave a day by day portrait of the 19 al Qaeda operatives before they set off on their suicide murder mission killing what nearly 3000 people. And setting in Motion America's longest war, the war in Afghanistan. These hijackers lived mostly in central Florida, Southern California, Northern Virginia and northern New Jersey. And they did normal things. They did the kind of things that did not arouse suspicion. They rented cars. They opened bank accounts. They navigated complicated city streets and highway exit ramps. They rented motel rooms. They dialed each other from pay phones in hairstylists and hardware stores. They ordered meals in diners. They took flying lessons They played video games lifted barbells at Jim's. They even purchase sunglasses at Macy's. Their time in northern New Jersey, they say in this report is especially illuminating. There were these crowded multicultural Hamlets of Bergen and Passaic counties. I've never been there, but if you're familiar with New Jersey you may know these counties. This became a meeting ground for nearly a dozen of the 19 terrorists during the summer of 2001. The connection to New Jersey, though, also gave rise to unfair accusations that some members of the region's Muslim community may have knowingly assisted them. Mohamed Atta flew from Florida, checking into a motel in Wayne, New Jersey for a few days and then leaving and then returning days later others like the first two people, we talked about Honduran Alhazmi. They bounce between motels and an apartment in a two story home in Paterson at the same address hunters cited as a business office when he rented that male dropping The comings and goings in northern Nigeria, Jersey really offer glimpse of how they openly took advantage of American life. The way we lived and our open society before they attacked America in a way that really challenged that openness and raised questions about how the U. S might better surveil its citizens. And for some of us whether the US should be surveilling its citizens, You know, better surveillance, more surveillance. They're not necessarily the same thing. But maybe to my mind. One of the things I learned just even from this article has less to do with surveilling American citizens and more to do with law enforcement entity, spy agencies sharing the information they have. When it raises their own red flags, making them think that maybe there's some danger afoot here. One of the most persistent and controversial mysteries of that day was that how did 19 men from the Middle East, most of whom barely spoke English managed to pull off such a deadly mission without being detected. But they were they were detected..

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