Listen: Eddington Intel Eddington, Official, Lemaigre discussed on Astronomy Cast
"Terms and conditions apply. I loved it. More stars have better names like h. I p nine one to cares like that's ridiculous. That's your name. No. Does universes gigantic, let's go for as many names. We can possibly go for like we will never run out of names because we will never run out of stars. In fact, every galaxy gets a name. So I think hopefully I, you really brings this up now. Next time. I know they've already added a whole pile of star names, but this should just be the beginning. Yeah, this is the starting point. And so we're working to at least collect those names. But the question is beyond what are the names of the planets? What are the names of the stars to different peoples around the world. What about the discoveries made by people that aren't Eddington that aren't on Stein that aren't tendency car, and that was the example is going to bring up is Chander. Sick are was lucky enough to avenge get the limit at which a white dwarf stops. Being white dwarf decides it would rather be a neutron star or just explode. That mass limit is named the essay car limit. But this is a man who got multiple Nobel prizes for multiple things, and he had to fight with Eddington Intel Eddington died to get his work. It knowledged how many other things that shandra did are just well, the laws of stellar evolution instead of Chandrika's of stellar. Aleutian, whereas other people get multiple things named after them, like Hubbell. So do you go back, find the first written account at any point and make that the name of that phenomena? No matter where it came from an who came up with it, whether it's in Chinese, whether it's in right, if it's the crab nebula is the name for the crab nebula whatever the astronomer from China who I observed it was that becomes the name of the thing in the official a, you know, everything is gonna have all kinds of nicknames, right? But like the lagoon nebula is called the board Homer nebula in my mind. So. So is that the way you go? And I guess the point is like the process of searching and trying to figure out who did this. I is incredibly important and that history matters that we do take the time to dig back into. The records to be proper historians and give credit where credit is due to the people who did the work and to maintain that history. And then at the same time you can't control. People are gonna call things that's ridiculous. Right? So there's two different rabbit holes we can go down with this one is the naming of objects where the I, you is working to allow objects to have multiple official names reflecting the various cultures that have studied this objects over time. So the naming of things is one rabbit hole, the other rabbit hole that struggling with with the Hubble LeMay Tra and I'm not going to have to say maitre d in my head every time. Yup, you're there, though. You got it with this. It becomes more a matter of who is the first person to publish through period of you. No matter the language, a complete understanding of the thing. And this is where we see things getting fixed with the acknowledgement that Joycelyn bell is now getting for her discovery of the pulsar with noble price didn't go to her, but you totally here like democratise coming up with the idea of the. Adam and we cite it and walkers had no idea what was going on had no ability to actually figure out that Adams existed had no actual scientific rationale for the reason, except he just did a thought process of like if I cut it with a knife can cut it with a small knife, is there point where I can't cut it anymore. That's the smallest possible thing. That's not a real theory, right? Because you need to observe it. You need to perform an experiment that shows that your theory is correct. And this is where I said, the first complete theories who you name it for. So Lemaigre had the mathematical derivation. He used Hubble's unpublished provided to him freely. Observations taken with HAMAs in of the expanding universe, used them to determine an early value of the expansion constant that didn't differ a lot from Hubbell's early value. And he published all of the work, but it is in French. So his crime is he published in French, and that's why he doesn't get remembered. And then Hubble came out with a better right up with more advanced data and said, why? Yes, didn't then reference Lemaigre who he discussed this stuff with who he provided data to didn't cite him and after Lemaigre said, but I did this first and then translated the paper. He just omitted the thing that would have given him credit for it because he was that kind of a guy. Do we raise him from history, which is what was on the route to happening. I think I said what I think. And so I don't think I need Daland saying what I think which is like when used to Larry him and you look at an object that has a mess, hey number. It also has energy. See number in. It can also have an I number and it will have a sin, bad number. It will also have a, you know, all these other numbers that it's going to have as well. And so things will have multiple names. And I think the history of these concepts are fascinating and well worth going back in time to figure out an understand the best possible story that you can and the moment you find plausible evidence that somebody came up with something earlier you slot that into the history, and you should recognize it in the official places to make sure that the does get accepted and put in there. But this is a history problem, not a science problem. The science is the same. Yeah, the scientists, same busy history issue was history problem, and I'm sure historians can already talk about how complicated naming things are and what impact that has. So we got a rep things up a win, will we know the final answer, no idea. We will bring it to you it some point in three months, some person is going to show up with an envelope. They're gonna handed to you. You're going to make Mark. They're gonna take that envelope away, and the answer will happen. I suspect it will be a check box on a website and then a press release. However, it takes place. We're gonna bring all that information to you here in the strong mccafe's. Awesome. I can't wait to hear the answer. Thanks, Pamela, welcome back. Thank you razor. Glad to be backing. Glad to see you. Thank you for listening to astronomy, cast a nonprofit resource provided by Astros fear new media association, Fraser Cain, Dr Pamela gay. You can find show notes entrance scripts for every episode. Casto gum. 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