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The only person on this stage who has beaten in an incumbent. Republican anytime in the past thirty years is me. That was as good as Elizabeth Warren gets it was the dominant sound owned by the debate on a connected with the crowd so I give her an eight for that one absolutely a strong answer and and let's be clear the back and forth that they were having having is not just about gender. It's about electability. And electability is driving a big part of the passion in the Democratic primary It will drive it in Iowa in a huge way because Democrats want to win the White House back they want to deny four more years to president trump and I think she put this in the frame of electability right. We've won The women up on this stage have won every race. We've been in. You guys have lost last ten races. I beat an incumbent Republican You know I a a really strong answer and it shows you that. A lot of these campaigns pains probably came in with four or five moments that they wanted to have This one was rehearse. it was probably done almost verbatim and she delivered it really well really convincingly and it's the clip that you'll hear throughout the day today tomorrow as you said capturing that media attention for the next couple of days he's And I think it was a great moment for her in this debate. You know I I got a couple of horse laugh watching it right afterward because I thought Oh. That's a good piece of work. Although as a political hack I was snorting because only Democratic primary. Could you brag about winning Massachusetts. I did it again I I. I beat the Conservatives who dominate the clave of Massachusetts and then they all pivoted and Ben Bernie got all cranked up nineteen forty eight Iran against a hoover Republican. I beat you got. Yeah your facts wrong and then somebody else you know and I a little bit of a of a tear came to my thinking about poor Steve Bullock the governor of Montana a red state where we're keenly beats Republicans Being laughed out of the race. Never really getting in it and Michael Bennett who I would argue and Carville just endorsed doors is the most electable candidate is from the swing state of Colorado where he's done well I can't get arrested right now. So the fact is it was all phony. They're all talking about winning easy states for a Democrat to win but it still made for an effective line so she wins the prize. She wins the prize. I did think it was I. I'm sure the Bernie people were pulling pulling their hair out at this when as you said they get to this point in the debate. And he's like well you know. I beat a Republican and it was thirty years ago and she said why said in the last thirty ready at. You're thinking to yourself if you're Bernie you're kind of out of this back and forth on on gender in a way that that that hasn't hurt you that story's really elite challenging and important. How do you make sure that you don't get sucked into this? And he almost did. Yeah totally well in the In the line nine sweepstakes even though I think she had a bit of a flailing debate as benefits or situation the polling I thought Amy Klobuchar. Dr Has remained the best critic of the Medicare for all stuff Roy where I think joe issues he had but she's good it ends. Had this vegas chips analogy that. I thought was pretty strong way to frame it here. She is this debate. Isn't real. I was in Vegas the other day and someone said. Don't put your chips on a number. You're on the wheel. That isn't even on the wheel. That's the problem over two-thirds of the Democrats in the US. Senate are not on the bill that you and senator. Warren Oren are on. I think to your point about Biden. He could aside Karen that a little bit more because a lot of those counties the cloture people unless she has a surgeon next two weeks six which is not impossible. They're going to be falling off in the more. She is the common sense fiscal restraint. Moderate Democrat Joe should be blowing that horn to try to Atlanta the second-place voices and it's usually other than his clothes which I thought was good. See that's the winning Biden. We saw a little more of it in the last debate the rest of it was was workmanlike. He didn't make any terrible Biden. Gaffes which for him as an accomplishment always so you know I don't give him a D. or enough but it was sort of a C. Plus flat performance form until the end. And if you believe the register poll of him a few beats behind he he needs to do a little better than that the closest race because the guy in the most danger I think is a biden his third the fourth and a week later. He can't come surging back in New Hampshire. He's toast. He's the former front runner. Front runners aren't allowed to lose. It will be interesting to see and we obviously won't don't know this for several weeks but does does anybody rethink their debate strategy in hindsight after tonight now again I think based on where the race is as they did what they needed to do. I think your point on cloture I think she makes the contrast in a more pointed more detailed way way than than Biden does and and in a way biden. You would want to make a terrific line where she says where she talks about this idea of just because it's the biggest number? Does it mean it's the best policy meeting the biggest numbers good in terms of spending. I think and I think I. I thought like she's got a lot of ways. You can even see it when when they got into foreign policy with Biden in a in a place that he clearly wants a to excess weight his advantages that he already enjoys because he was vice. President Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair but even even in that He basically finds himself agreeing with part of the answer that he gives because he didn't give it authorization of military thirty four. So I I again I thought just you know. He just probably wasn't sharp on some of the points that I thought he might again what they may be doing and may a smartly be doing is if you figure Amy Klobuchar. Six or eight isn't going to be viable but she's basically talking to the same voters I am. Let's it's just let's hang back a little bit. Let Amy make the contrast on Elizabeth and then if I'm in that precinct in pot Awami Oughta me and somebody doesn't have the viability threshold in. Amy Can't maybe they just walk over to the Biden. Yeah I just think he has to use the debate to hang a bigger lantern. He was kind of oddly passive. Yeah but that's again part of not screwing up by also has the headwind. I think of a little weaker organization. He's going to have less veteran staring at people from the second round around and that counts in Iowa Caucus. Now let's talk about Mayor Pete. Here's somebody who was on fire and now is not doing poorly but his lost at least in the polling a little bit of the momentum he dropped nine points from the last register poll on this one. Now that said the mere Pete people have told me their internal tracking was never as good as the last registered Paul but he was somebody I think who needed a gearshift. He's always very lucid. He performs well. There were no mistakes but what what was your take last night on Pete versus where he needs to be too close strong. I'm here in potentially even being the top two in Iowa. Yeah I thought it was going to be an interesting night for him because as you said if you look at where he was in that register poll and boy boy. I'm sure they cringed when that poll came out A couple of months ago. You just you don't you. Don't get to decide when you're gonNA peak and God knows a bunch of these campaigns. Aren't ever going to peak so you don't WanNa look that in it. Take that for granted but boy it was clear that the wave at crested too early really he lost a decent amount as you saw in this des Moines Register poll. It came particularly on those who Lessen their belief his favorability His very favorable number decrease in I think he needed to go out and remind folks of his generational message so again. I thought he did a fairly good job of of not just taking a question and saying here are the seven issues. I believe are important but wrapping them in a Botha Generational and I haven't served my whole life in Washington frame which I think is important. Because that's his contrast contrast right the top stars side you've got the other four candidates who have spent are either currently in or spent a huge amount of their life in Washington and his message is if you think Washington it messes everything up. I let me remind you. I'm not from Washington and Oh by the way I'm also not really old and so I think he tried to wrap that into again. I think whether it was where the polling is or where where the format is questions tended to lend themselves to answers that seemed like forty five seconds out of their stump speech and I think Pete did a good good job of delivering those stump speech moments. Here's a Pete moment which I thought was pretty strong. I'm ready to take on. Donald trump was because when he gets to the tough talk and the chest chest thumping he'll have to stand next to an American war veteran and explain how he pretended bone spurs made him ineligible to serve and if and if he keeps trying to use religion if a guy like Donald trump keeps trying to use religion to somehow recruit Christianity into the GOP gop. I will be standing there not afraid to talk about a different way to answer the call of faith and insist that God does not belong to a political local party but my criticism of Pete who I'm sympathetic to because I like smart presidents even if they're far more liberal than I am is that he never seems to be or very infrequently just needs to do it more to take command of the stage absolutely has like and now. We go to Pete for a very informed opinion and thoughtful remark. And he's very good at that but to close does this thing. I think there needs to be a more everybody's looking at Pete and he owns the dam. Stage Biden had a little that during his clothes. Worn had that when she you know slammed the swung the big gender hammer around clobbered a few people. Amy Never quite had it but when when she was kind of going at somebody. There's a little bit of drama to it. When Bernie really winds up his act and is putting the corporations on alert and getting ready to slap the cuffs on you know the fortune five hundred? There's some intensity to it. Well we'll pete becomes the observers so so that is the missing piece but but with all that said you know. I'm having a little bit of a flashback. To the wonderful days of the two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen Republican primary. Hi Marion these analogies. You gotta be careful with. But when trump had his voters which isn't a twenties at the beginning in started growing winger bit all the rest of US looked at trump. People we can see in the polling are pretty locked into trump so you had bush and Rubio in case they can Christie into lesser extent crews. Who who was kind of floating in trump's wake all turning on each other to say all right we're going to emerge as the anti trump and win the two way in the end And there's a lot of criticized well why Jeb smells money killing trump. Well wasn't our job to clear a path for Rubio Cruz because trump voters had you know some affection but no interest voting for a guy they thought was establishment as JEB. So I see Bernie You know my headline on this debate is Bernie getting closer to potentially winning owning the Iowa caucus or at least being in the top two which will change the dynamic of the race. Because then it's going to be down to Bernie versus somebody and they all better solve that. Who the somebody thing is pretty quick which will be a Biden Pete the some extent Elizabeth race though he can squeeze her out because of their similarities through the New Hampshire Primary Maria Week? Before or Bernie may really start a run here so I think the headline is Bernie's real and he's coming and you know the AH DEM's gotTa get organized about it or trump's going to have the happiest week in February and his life. I agree with you on Pete. I mean there's an and you know the one thing about these debates is those awkward cut-away pictures of the candidate with the kind of blank. Look on his face holding his hand or her hand up hoping to be recognized. Yeah third-grader yeah teacher. Call on me. I did my homework to And I think as you said I think sometimes pizza sink back a little bit you. Oh you do want that moment. I think it was smart of him not to try to force that moment because again that's awkwardness and the dynamic that we talked about in the beginning I think he was I think he had a pretty good close But I agree with you. I think there's there's a spark that he's going to need to look for it out again. The the the advantage he may have Presumably will be. He's GonNa be in a bus in Iowa when these other guys are back in the Senate and that's a good point. Ah As you said look I I I think one of the things you said to I mean sanders is headed avoiders Paul..