Police Department, President Rick Snyder, City County Council discussed on Hammer and Nigel
Blur dot com hotline and bring on Rick Snyder, president of F O P. The Fraternal Order of Police Lodge. 86. Rick didn't explain that right? Can you put into laymen's terms? What went on last night? What This proposal entails. Well, you pretty well. Now that we have a proposal that was introduced by City County councillors that would create a new general orders board that has a civilian majority on the board now, well, we welcome civilian input. And quite frankly, we desire civilian participation in discussions and review of what we do, how we do it and why we do it. We do have significant concerns when politicians introduced an idea and a concept that really strips the chief of police, the duly appointed chief of police Of his or her authority to establish the policies for the police department. We have a political structure that has an elected mayor, who is elected by the citizens of the city with the expectation that he or she will point the chief of police. With the review of the City County Council, who is in the subject matter expert to lead the Police department and step four consistent with wall and consistent with state turning standards. A policy that achieves that with their law enforcement, background and expertise. So, Rick, for those who might not be privy to the way these things work. What would be the point of having a chief of police, then? Well, there really isn't one other than carry out whatever is directed from this civilian board. The problem with that I can't speak for the chief of police, but I'm quite confident in discussions with he is It's really a political step that cuts the the the the knees out from underneath the chief of police, especially people police who is trying to make significant changes and improvements in our policing practices. Um and not just our policies, but our practices. And I'm working to do that. Now. What we have seen is in those efforts anytime those steps have quite frankly got hijacked by politicians. They're created unnecessary. Um ah, unnecessary conflicts with clearly established law and state training standards. And so that's where we come in and say, Wait a minute time out. We got to do this right? We think improvement, constant improvement in policing, but it's got to be consistent with the law and consistent with nationally best practices. I think most people would agree with that and say there's a certain subject matter expertise that's involved there. Yeah, I would also be the first one to say we also need the perspective of the citizens the civilians at the table. I think the question just flies in isn't really effective to give them complete control over the chief of police. Is that really what our entire community wants? And Rick without sounding like I'm being a smart ass or anything like that. Here. Seriously. Question Who is running? I MPD right now, is it? The mayor isn't the chief isn't the City County Council? Because based off of what I heard last night, it sounds like the City County Council might be pulling the strings here. Guys that exact Ah problem. Here is the confusion that it creates for officers. And, more importantly, the residents in our city. That's why we have political structures that specifically oversee police see, but are separate and distinct from the police in practice. What I mean by that. I mean, we have to keep politics out of policing decisions. How many times have you heard me? Come on your show and say Do not let politics get into your police. That's exactly what's going to go on here. Proof positive. Take a look at the organization held across conference yesterday, hours before this policy was introduced. Conveniently and coincidently hours before it was ever publicly published to where the residents of the community could see it. They came out and endorsed it. Well, what's that Tell you about their role. In the development of the policy. Probably quite hands on the concern is when we start allowing political politically active and is into driven groups to start Tio Ah ah, getting bald. In a way that overtakes they're impartial police in our community. We cannot have politically political agendas, driving our police practices and our police decisions. The rest F o P. President Rick Snyder is this proposal in any way, shape or form would you could be considered sort of like an end around to defund the police the sort of the mantra that's going around the country right now and I know not necessarily flat out. Nobody's really said that here in Central indeed, but it's this. Could this be considered like a back door to that? Well, In fact, they have go back to the original press conference worth. This concept was originally discussed. Back in July of this year, We had a featured speaker Ah, at the at the invitation of the counselors who are in a proposal that made it very clear he was calling for the de funding of the I M P D. He was emphatic about it. Not only was the emphatic about it, but he was representing the very organization. Has had their fingerprints on this policy on Dad Think I'm Myrtle? I don't know for sure, but we're told, was actually is actually the vice chair of the Democratic Party and marry in county. Guys that raises a lot of concerns and questions here as to what is actually going on. Now we've had many counts or step forward and say they're opposed that concept. But let's demonstrate that let's complete this budget process. Let's back that up with actions. And at the same time flow of proposals like this down, let's get people around the table with value. The input of our employees are officers who are risking their lives and say, Let's get advice and review from US civilians. But let's keep that legal authority with the chief of police. Not because we got to say, Hey, there's one person in charge, but it means that there's one person who is also accountable and guess what? We've got a check and balance on that already with a civilian Police merit board. We've got a civilian complaint Review board, and now we're seeing that they want to add another layer of bureaucracy to slow down effective policing in our city. One of the problems that I'm seeing here is that when people went out and voted for their local city County Council members that was To do their job as a councilman, not to run the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department or to put in policies for the police Department. That's not what people went out and voted for all of a sudden it sounds like now they've got the power to do that. What's been the response of your officers that you've had a chance to talk to? Well, they have significant concerns because it raises this issue of the fundamental responsibility for the executive branch and the separation of powers issues is that the city comes a legislative branch that runs the police department. Or is that the executive branch? The mayor, where the police department is on the structure within our city? It blurs the lines of accountability is with you. Again. I got to tell you, You can't have that yet. What we see is this active engagement from politicians again to keep the strapping from the real issues that hand remember, in February, we said, Let's get a commission to study these criminal justice outcome. Because violent crime and homicide we're going off the rails here, folks. What is our politicians? Tell us the police officers, They said Crazy. Sit down and be quiet, and the mayor actually did a press conference and said, We don't eat another commission. Another board another committee. Yet when we got done with the riots and questions were being asked about his performance was the first thing the man aboard aboard to review that What was the first thing that that the council calls for? When they're trying to figure out how to change police? Another board? What's the first thing the council calls for the very first priority? In January of 2020 now homicide not violent, but the environment and what did they call for a commission on the environment. We said, Let's have a true adult conversation at the table, a public conversation. Ready the outcomes of our criminal justice system in which we have said there are systemic injustices that we need to fix. Get the other parties don't want to have that discussion are police officers asking this question? Why? And the final question they have is the mayor support this chief of police and have confidence in him because the concern of the officers of the council's demonstrating they have lost that confidence in the chief of police wreck last thing before we let you go here, got about a minute left just devil's advocate here because you know the questions they're going to come. There's probably going to be some folks that say, Well, we can't keep doing the same thing. We have to try something different. We have to try something new. We're looking for a new way to do policing. What would be your response to those people that bring that argument of the table. Well, when you have Ah, proposal like this, it's a justice. Somehow our policies are deficient. But unfortunately, the facts don't support that false narrative. The facts are the city of Indianapolis was one the few major cities in the United States of America. That has received the Kolia accreditation standards. That's the commission on on accreditation for law enforcement agencies that followed after by many agencies throughout the country. It's considered the gold standard in public safety. It's an independent group comes in reviews your policies and your practices and gives you a stamp of approval or not..