General Flynn, FBI, Flint discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

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Quote, at twelve thirty five pm on January twenty four th two thousand seventeen the first Tuesday after the presidential inauguration general Flynn received a phone call from then deputy director of the FBI Andrew McCabe on a secure phone in his office in the west wing general Flynn had for many years been accustomed to working in cooperation with the FBI in matters of national security, he and Mr. McCabe briefly discussed security training session. The FBI had recently conducted at the White House before Mr. MacKay by his own account stated that he felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down with general Flynn to talk about his communications with Russian representatives, Mr. mccabe's account states. I explained that. I thought the quickest way to get this done was Naveh conversation between general Flynn and the agents only a further stated that if general Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting like the White House counsel. For instance, I would need to involve the department of Justice, general Flynn stated this would not be necessary agreed to meet the. Fbi agents without any additional participants less than two hours later at two fifteen pm FBI deputy assistant director Peter Struck. And a second agent arrived at the White House to interview general Flynn by the agents account, general Flynn was quote, relaxed and jocular and offered to give the agents a little tour of the area around his wife, west wing office. The agents did not provide general Flynn with a warning. Of the penalties for making a false statement before during or after the interview. This is a new material claim in the Flynn defense. He's having this F B I interview under friendly circumstances with F B I personnel. With whom he had reason to believe he was having a sort of cordial or collegial discussion with they did not warn him at any time. According to Flint's defense counsel that if he lied to the FBI even in jocular circumstances like that he would be committing a crime. This is an interesting new claim. Okay. Back to the filing prior to the FBI's interview of general, Flynn, Mr. McCabe and other FBI officials quote decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an F B I interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed and they were concerned that giving the warnings might averse adversely affect the report one of the agents reported now what that's being cited to is this footnote here in terms of these these quotes about what the FBI agents were thinking what they decided. Here's the footnote that explains where they're getting these quotes certain information summarized are quoted in this memorandum derives from documents furnish to defendant's council pursuant to the protective order United States versus Flynn. And then there's a case number undersigned council conferred with the government which represented that disclosing the selected information does not constitute a violation of the protective order so Flint's council in the sentencing memorandum they're disclosing stuff that they got from the prosecutor's subject to. Sort of protective order they say they've gotten permission to disclose the stuff, but this is all new to us. All right. Back to this again before the interview FBI officials had decided that quoting if Flint said, he didn't remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used to try to refresh his recollection if Flint still would not confirm what he said, they would not confront him or talk him through it one of the agents reported that general Flynn was unguarded during the interview and clearly saw the FBI agents as allies. All right, continuing general Flynn is fully acknowledged his wrongful conduct and comes before the court to accept the consequences. The circumstances described above warrant the court's consideration as it evaluates the seriousness of the offense. Relative to the circumstances of witness interviews, in typical cases, charged under the federal law that criminalizes false statements to investigators, including a couple of cases, prosecuted by the.

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