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"So Joe Biden had an endorsement Early in the month from Abbey thinking our and she's in a very kind of Obama trump more working class class rural Iowa district but then you also have endorsements. He's getting from people on these kind of like Romney Clinton districts that were affluent calling allred in Texas exactly exactly and they think that he appeals to both of those candidates nuts. Maybe what makes him such a strong top of the ticket. Well now. Here's a question for you. How much and actually? Let's leave. Abby thinking our aside right because I feel like Iowa is a whole getting getting an endorsement from an Iowa member of Congress as a whole separate thing but how much of this is are. Are these members thinking about. It's like I want to help push Joe Biden over the top. I'm going to do my part. And how much of it are. Do you think looking out for number one. I'm trying to think it's like this is. This is what I need at the top of the ticket or at least this is the preference that I feel like I need to show before my race starts in order to to to do best for my chances of reelection I think right now. They're really trying to nominate themselves right. So if like a Bernie Sanders or Warren secures the nomination they get to say well you know not my first first choice. I prefer to Joe Biden. I prefer to people to judge. And then that gives them some kind of moderate credential among voters I think maybe if we see like Bernier warrants start to really gain steam when Iowa. It's reinventing your Hampshire. Maybe well see them. Start to rush out to kind of boost Biden if that threat becomes Mario and then of course you know the situation. We've seen it play out in a little bit different context number of time. But I feel like that's just the sort of thing that that Bernie Sanders eats for breakfast right the idea that and warned to to some extent the idea that the establishment is coming for him. And you know let me just Dash Ashok quick email to my millions of followers saying. Hey can you chip in a couple of bucks to to help us deal with this dastardly establishment. Coming for us. Yeah I don't we were told the Bernie and more and we're not asking for calls with these kind of frontline or dams that they had not you know connected with them so I don't know that these tossing style looking for and maybe this is a fundraising point for that. That's interesting burning a Bernie. Sanders obviously doesn't but I feel like Warren kind of played a lot of that game. She raised a lot of money and and Campaign for a lot of folks in the in the midterms in two thousand eighteen navy. It's in the works and it just doesn't happen yet but I do know that some of them did have the polling specifically warned trump in their districts and in an it wasn't necessarily better than I felt more comfortable guidance numbers. That's interesting. Yeah I I. I'm curious what you think I feel like you know. Endorsements in are doing in less than ever in terms of actually moving votes. But that doesn't mean they don't send interesting signals. Yeah no certainly everything that these members do you. Both political and in in terms of their official duties should be viewed through political ends because The the these are the majority makers for Democrats. These are the people who are truly their seats are are truly in play in twenty twenty and so they are going to do everything they can do to protect them And specifically if they're going to meddle in the presidential race ace and get involved it is both I think to help. The candidate they see is best for them but also to send a signal to their voters. Back home about The kind of candidate they want them to be looking at when they go to the ballot next November and are staring at both the top of the ticket and that House race there and they see the name of Colin allred in a place where where Mitt Romney Romney won and then Hillary Clinton won And they expected a certain kind of Democrat and so regardless of the name at the top of the ticket these people WANNA make sure their images and their brands are intact. This is really interesting. I like this conversation we've got. We're looking at the views of the voters as reflected in the polls and got the party elites as reflected in in Congress bringing a lot of Nice things together. Here thank you both for for taking the the time to to join us. Thanks Steve Anytime. And thank you Allie. Of course and for our second segment this week we are going to dive into the wild world of impeachment trial trial. And we have with us here today. One of our expert tour guides is going to help us decode all of this over the next few weeks. A politico senior reporter. Darren Samuelson Darren. Thank you for returning to the NARC. Cast thanks for bringing back all right. So here's what we're GONNA do today. Darren we're we're in obviously. It's it's not uncharted territory but slightly charted we're Iowa we're in kind of a fifteenth century European explorer situation here and so what we want to do today is. I'm hoping you can basically just take us kind kind of chronologically through what is going to be going on in the next few weeks and we can start yesterday. Actually start on Wednesday when House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi named her team impeachment managers today. I'm very proud to present the managers. That was kind of the the step. We've all been waiting for over the past few weeks since that. Vote with this big delay. Yeah they are the prosecutors. They will be the people who will present the case before the Senate and try and convict and remove Donald Trump from office and they will be working from Material that they collected over the course of that impeachment investigation that everyone paid so much attention to last fall and ultimately into that House vote. We have seven impeachment managers and Nancy Pelosi has named Adam Schiff of California lead manager led by Adam. Schiff the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and Jerry. Nadler's Jerry Nadler Chair of the House. Judiciary Committee determined the House. Judiciary Committee these two gentlemen Know quite a bit about this case and could probably recite uh anything that they need to know at the You know just off the top of their head They will be the leaders. There WANNA be hearing talking. The most there are overall seven impeachment managers on the on the policy team which is a smaller number than the thirteen that Bill Clinton's Republican Nemesis the charge that they lead back during the nineteen ninety nine impeachment trial. A lot of people thought back during the Clinton impeachment trial that there are too many house impeach managers at some of them were just not very good at their job and didn't really do a compelling case they they were kind of boring people are clicking off the television while they're watching and that there was a it was better to be more hone and so I think with Pelosi picking the seven that she has. We're going to be hearing obviously from CHEF Nadler but we're also going to hearing from Zoe Lofgren. Who is a fascinating story? She was a congressional staffer. Back in the nineteen seventy two. Seventy three seventy four investigation. Investigation of Watergate for Congressman from California. Who seat that she? I'll later took over. Who was on the Judiciary Committee and she served on mckittrick midday during the Clinton impeachment? And now here. She is on the trump impeachment. So you know someone who actually has that incredible line that goes through the three impeachments our modern era. You know there's only four impeachments three only volving presidents. That went all the way to to the Senate trial We're GONNA see VAL demings who is a former Sheriff from Orlando Florida Hakeem Jeffries who's a member of the the House leadership. Sylvia Garcia and Jason Crowe are two of the members who I think will be. Maybe we'll be hearing less from freshman freshman right all right so they're the ones ones who are going to be presenting the case now. The trial officially begins Thursday the sixteenth. Today they're gonNA swear in Chief Justice John Roberts to preside over everything but no arguments yet yet. They're going to be swearing in the senators and so on and then and then after that. It looks like the first thing that we're going to expect his words that will set hearts aflutter everywhere when they hear the trial. Briefs Oh boy I can. I can hardly wait Probably hundred plus pages of material from the the trump lawyers which will lay out their offense. It'll be the first time we're going to see anything from the trump lawyers on paper Presenting their rebuttal. It'll be interesting to see if they go. Fact by fact and try Ryan. Actually debunk this or is it. Just you know in giant hundred and forty-three fought saying fake news. You know giant hoax. But I think it's going to be the it's going to the former they'll be they're going to pick things apart. That is interesting. Then we're I'm GONNA see because we've seen the giant hundred forty three response from trump on twitter every day for the last few months and th this is going to be potentially more interesting they have Clinton model to go on. There's actually actually a Bill Clinton trial brief that was submitted in the in that impeachment case that the White House counsel's office and combined with the president's personal counsel David Kendall. They put together. This brief that took apart at the The Monica Lewinsky perjury charges. And so this documentary. They've been working on for a while. Now they will submit that. I think either over the weekend or into Monday then. The House the Democrats will submit their version which will probably look a lot like the impeachment report that the Judiciary Committee produced after the House. Vote on or maybe it was right before the house. Vote So yeah you'll have these two legal documents that will give sort of an outline of things you know. It's notable as well for the trump legal team remember. They sat out that entire house process. If they refuse to participate pat simple loan wrote some hundred and forty three font. You know responses in letters to to Jerry Nadler into shifts. Saying you know. Go take a hike. We're not gonNA participate because this process is not favorable to us. I think they feel you know. They're they're putting their words now down on paper and it'll be very interesting to see what they have to say that is very interesting and so Like like you said you know. This process is about expected to take about four to six days. Which people are GonNa be working through around the clock probably through the holiday weekends so that the main event can can start on Tuesday? And that's that's the arguments. Yeah so this'll be the last weekend for senators for a couple of weeks to go back home to rest up because at right after for the Martin Luther King Holiday on Tuesday. We'll we'll rock and roll and I think you know those briefs probably have been written already They're probably putting the finishing touches on them So yeah we get going on Tuesday and I'm sure there's GonNa be some pop and circumstance. This is the Senate you know that. I don't think it actually will start until probably the afternoon if the Clinton trials example I think it was noon or one. PM that they get started every day. So so you know we're going to have our mornings tonight. Leisurely read political playbook and you know just chill out and then boom things are going to get going. It'll be interesting to watch John Roberts on the on the presiding officer. Ah One of his biggest responsibilities. As the clock Clock Management William Rehnquist was renowned for has the presider in the Bill Clinton trial letting things go later than senators. Maybe wanted wanted it to go. He he you know he kept them around till six o'clock seven o'clock and so it'll be interesting to see if the Senate on that same Roberts who we should also add was a A former clerk for Mr run questioned and so there is this continuity between Rehnquist and Roberts and just going back and even further drop. Mr Rehnquist wrote a book three or four years before he presided over the bill. Clinton trial about the Andrew Johnson impeachment trial. So Mr Rehnquist was a student of history and So you know. I think that Roberts will know all of that history. Is he overseas sees this trial. And so yeah we we going. You know whether it's Tuesday or Wednesday. That's when the house managers will have their time to go and I think we're still waiting to see exactly how much time they get. It was three days of the prosecution in the Clinton trial and again this goes back to. They had thirteen managers in so thirteen. People got to speak and that took a little bit of time and they pick things through do one by one by one and like you had the the chairman Henry. Hyde of the judiciary committee actually gave the opening overview. So if that's the model Adam Schiff would do the same thing he would see these sort of overview and then they would maybe use each individual member to kind of go point by point on different aspects of it again during the Clinton trial you had Lindsey. Graham was doing the impeachment in precedence.."