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For the lack of any big quake so far this year? Not you because the last time you mentioned a lack of big earthquakes we just had one like a month later. Uh oh, I changed the damn it. I always do that. On the wildfire wing is Alex wigglesworth, Alex since water is the opposite of fire. Can you make it rain? I wish we'll get there one day. And joining us in you is our Cassandra of the coast, Rosanna Shaw. So how was that conference of crustaceans you cleverly canvassed in Cabo? I think it would be shellfish of me to talk about that when we're supposed to be talking about earth day. Touche. Thank you all as always for joining us. And Rosanna, let's actually start with you. Reading silent spring, take us back to the 1960s. What kind of state of mind were we in leading up to the creation of earth day? Three things come to mind when I think of the sparks that ignited the modern environmental movement. One obviously was Rachel Carson's silent spring, which really helped the public think about how everything on this planet is connected. Before this book, it was the post World War II era, chemicals were the miracle of science. Frankly, our town has gained a lot by the coming of the nylon plant. In every way, air town is a bigger and better community. Industrialization was our economy booster and we were just starting to learn seemingly simple concepts like food chains and ecosystems. And these concepts I might add were being debated and questioned publicly by major corporations and industries, not unlike the way climate change science continues to be debated today. There was a motto at the time, dilution is the solution to pollution and silent spring really made us reconsider that frame of mind. The dilution just means the problem re accumulates elsewhere. There was also the Santa Barbara oil spill in 1969 in this stunning fire in Cleveland, where a river quite literally went up in flames because there was so much trash and chemicals in the water that the river caught fire. These events shocked us into seeing just how rampant our disregard for the environment was at the time. We take a lot of our environmental protection laws for granted today, but back then, we were just dumping chemical waste into rivers in the ocean. Pesticides like DDT got fogged all over beaches and farms in the smog, as anyone growing up in LA would remember was just awful. So all of this ended up leading to the creation of birthday then? Yeah. Later in 1969, senator Nelson, a Democrat from Wisconsin, was in Santa Barbara to follow up on the oil spill, and he came up with the idea of doing a national teaching on how human activities were damaging the natural world. This was in the era of the counterculture and the Vietnam protests. So teach ends were very much in Vogue at the time. And this idea led to earth day, which led to some pretty significant legislation that continues to guide the way we manage and protect our natural resources today. The clean air act, the clean water act, it also led to the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency, which has a complicated track record today depending on who you're talking to. But can you imagine the EPA not even existing before 1970? I should also note that these landmark regulations were passed under president Nixon, it may not feel like it today, but protecting the environment was a no brainer bipartisan issue back then. All this history, all these people pushing, but now when I think about earth day, I think about my mailbox, just filled with all these emails from companies saying, oh look, we're green, RICO friendly, we're carbon offsetting carbon neutral. You get sick of earth day, quick that way. Is that the same for you, Rosanna? Yeah, I mean, I would say earth day today has evolved into a number of things the cynic in me thinks of all the greenwashing email pitches that flood my inbox too. There are so many. But there is still a lot of meaningful education work that happens each year come April, community cleanups, special education events. I noticed that a lot of environmental campaigns and big policy decisions also often get pegged to earth day. So even though we should be thinking about these issues every day, not just once a year, it is important to acknowledge that earth day has become an important way to check in on these issues at least once a year for folks who aren't engaged all the time and it's not just about buying more stuff that is quote unquote sustainable. We'll be right back. 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Listen to against the rules wherever you get your podcasts. So Ron, we're talking about earth day and the campaign every April sort of reminds me of shakeout that they were supposed to pay attention here in California. To earthquake prevention and safety, but no one does what they is it supposed to be again, I forget. It's every third Thursday in October, which is usually around my birthday. So it's easy for me to remember it. I always actually thought that it happens to be around the anniversary of the Loma prieta earthquake, the World Series earthquake from 1989, but the real reason is actually quite boring. The first one happened only in 2008. And it was in mid November and the schools were like, mid October is actually a better time for them. So that's the reason why. But the anniversary is actually for me are helpful because I can almost peg any time of the year to an earthquake. It's a helpful reminder that any month could be a time for an earthquake. I mean, there is this kind of myth that there's an earthquake weather of it happening during hot weather, but that's not true we've had earthquakes in the winter time too. If you give me a month, I can give you the name of an earthquake that has happened before. Welcome to give a month and round Lin gives you an earthquake. First up, we have the times host and columnist Gustavo arellano. June. June June June, there was the landers earthquake of 1992, a magnitude 7.3 that shook up the Mojave desert. Next is Rosanna Shaw, coastal overlord, and pun master. September. September, the two, the two quakes in Mexico, the 1985 and the one from 2017. And that's it. For a given month and Ron land gives you an earthquake. Tune in next month, for ask Rosanna how she's doing and she'll ruin your day with a terrible joke. Wow, we're gonna take this show on the road one day, Ron. But Alex, so there's a shakeout day. There's an earth day. Is there a day where we just think about just wildfires? And doesn't the idea itself kind of sound silly? Sure, there are wildfire awareness days, although I'm not sure that any of them are widely observed, California actually has a wildfire preparedness week in early May. We said in the past and I'm going to bring it back today, we.

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