Bill Ryan, Cornell University, LEN discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University while in the air force. He experienced the off. Oh, encounter. That had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena, that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nightcap was the most prestigious organization of the country at the time investigating you afford Len. Welcome back to the program. Pleasure. I joined nightcap to when I was a kid I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Yeah. What a great today. Shen KO did a great job. And he was the head of the oil. So that's right. Exactly. CIA too. That's a good point. How have you been? I've been fine. I haven't fine and you pretty writing. You've got this new book coming out next year dark fleet. I've been working on it for about a year. Looking forward to that. But we're we might as well book for next year already to get you back. It's of been published in much. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets sherpa because it has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? Absolutely. It was a it was an interesting. It was an interesting event. And. You know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show avenue. Yes. We sure. Have. Yeah. Bill knows a lot about Serpa also also carry Cassidy, it really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under for long time. But finally, emerged, thanks to the DIA. They had a lot to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. That can wasn't a back and forth, transferring program. No, we set twelve Americans on on an alien spaceship to that's to that planet in nineteen. Sixty five did they come that they stayed there for thirteen years? Reminds me of the ending of that close counters of the third kind movie remember that seeing that the movie was about that actually twelve left only seven came back. Five. Three of them died, and to decide to remain there really. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm not sure it. What's that was that was a question I asked at contact in the desert this weekend, if you would go on an e craft one way and not come back in half of the panelist said they not go the other half said they would. I'm not I don't know why anyone would say that in advance that they wouldn't tend to stay there. That's surprises. Maybe because that's that's unlikely to go to a fund planet one hadn't even seen one to stay. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they liked it. They're two of them tuned, and we're was this planet. What system was then and data ridiculous. I did about thirty nine light years from our sun, our solar system. Isn't that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and Betty hill case might have originated from system system, and there are many, many planets around that particular son, actually actually, it's a binary son to their two two sons there, and they take your system. That's, that's the reason that people never had any darkest there, because there was always one son in the sky. So is always right there. When they were there close encounters came out late seventies, I think. Closing counters came out in, I think it was seventy seventy seven okay in by do you think they fed Spielberg, some of this information? Absolutely. No question whatsoever. He wrote the screenplay in one weekend at the Sherry Netherlands, hotel in New York City, it could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed the information, and he was getting the information from the DIA, did they give him the information because it wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened. Yes. If they thought it belonged in the public that the public had a right to know this, because it was important story. And so the DIA people who released it wanted it known, and this was the best way they could do it was those feel. He just made tremendous hit with jaws, right? And they thought he thought he was the right guy for it any. He did a great job. It was a great movie. And people still talking about it today. As a matter of fact. Yeah. And that's saying where the twelve twelve people lined up ten minutes to women lined up in orange jumpsuit in Saint with moving with their sunglasses on and everything else your. Yeah, they need it strong sunglasses. Because they knew in advance that the sun was very bright on. Supple. Special and Spielberg brought that out. Len with a lot about it was an amazing program, both the movie and probably the project Serpa has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end, we wish have to relation diplomatic relationship with those that civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia. We invited the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as fact that was that was the so called. Nineteen sixty four crap that landed in northern New Mexico. Money, the moral was right. The one in Sikora. That was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed near Sokoto instead of Holloman Air Force base. But then they got finally got a message, and they went back to Holloman and they stayed in orbit, while the other one landed was actually sent to craft here. It was that case, the lonnie's Amora case that convinced j Allen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. Hi, Nick was the one that said it was the most convincing case that on record that exactly the exact it changed his whole view. It did. Exactly. And because it was a huge egg-shaped craft sitting on the ground on legs. And there were two small creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed, they jumped in and took off, they went for why I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they had out there somewhere because it kind of sounded like it. But, but the more I got into it lend the more I realized now, one is more. I saw something from out of this world. That incident occurred on April twenty fourth nineteen sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's that's how it all coincided. It was apps. Absolutely right. On target then what kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they had anti-matter technology. We know that. But they also knew how to travel through wormholes, and it was journey that took only took them ten months from one to the one end to the other. So it must have been through it must have been through a wormhole. Well travel is actually instantaneous, but navigating to and from the entrances to the wormholes, take some time, and that's probably how they how they chewed up the other ten the other nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole like bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. Exactly. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes I really part of a much larger web that permeates the, the whole solar system, like it's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you're through you go to a Stargate. And you traveled instantaneous when, when you wrote the book secret journey to planet sherpa, which was back in two thousand thirteen I think, how did you come across the story? How did how did this come to you? Well, I spent two hours in a shuttle craft with Bill Ryan and I witnessed any talk about the whole the whole trip now when he when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on. Now he wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small cab. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said, you know. It was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it. And it made sense to me, and I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to just simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website. That was put out there by the DIA such information that it's mind boggling fourteen thousand words in on the website. Which was created by Bill though created website. No. That's where all the information comes from in somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consultant about this. Tell me about that. Yes, he was consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about these astronomy, astronomical details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it. Because he was too too much involved with these trying program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making such a nutty claim same cell same university. You went to yes. Yes. He went to Cornell. He was the head of the department there. And he was brilliant, brilliant, but. The whole thing was that. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his needed his input and. But he wrote he never nevertheless, he did write about it in fiction in pixel form. He wrote the book contact. That's right. So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about the information what he knew about situation because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept that to he couldn't, he couldn't really he has had to be trying to department or an Ivy league university. He probably would have lost his job about. That's that's true. It so he, he took the wiser, course and nevertheless, he's still becoming immortal guy. He's, he's really missing his own right now the agency that ran this department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that. It was created by president Kennedy nineteen sixty two. Okay..